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I think that’s a great idea, however, I think we are past the point of “boot hunting” management. We need to be baiting bears and running them with hounds. We also need to be running lions with hounds. Any little bit helps, but a major management change must occur in the Blues or it’s going to be too late.
How would the WDFW know if the bear or cougar came out of the Blues to award the point? I guess they could have a separate season but that would likely shorten the regular bear/cougar seasons we have now. I am not against the idea just don't know how it would be policed to award the points. Maybe expand it state wide if you kill a bear or cougar you get a point.
Can the tribes use dogs/bait in the ceded and U&A lands? Could they bring in contracted houndsmen (non tribal) to their ceded/U&A for predator management under their wildlife management?
At what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?Serious question. Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.
Quote from: KFhunter on January 03, 2019, 10:08:19 AMMy idea was the Predator Incentive Point System. PIPSShooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window. The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.Bad idea. The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system. If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.
My idea was the Predator Incentive Point System. PIPSShooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window. The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.
If you search for "PIP" or "predator incentive points" you'll find some old threads by your's truly Got shot down pretty quickly, basically ridiculed
Quote from: idahohuntr on January 03, 2019, 10:40:27 AMQuote from: KFhunter on January 03, 2019, 10:08:19 AMMy idea was the Predator Incentive Point System. PIPSShooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window. The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.Bad idea. The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system. If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators.
Quote from: KFhunter on January 26, 2023, 10:13:00 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on January 03, 2019, 10:40:27 AMQuote from: KFhunter on January 03, 2019, 10:08:19 AMMy idea was the Predator Incentive Point System. PIPSShooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window. The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.Bad idea. The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system. If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators. A change like this would require commission approval. And point systems are already a convoluted ponzi scheme in this state, so creating a new point incentives system (while well meaning) still exacerbates the inequity and stupidity of points in the first place.As I noted years ago...follow the F4WM model...provide reimbursement to successful blues predator harvest from a private organization...cuts the commission out of it and does give some incentive. It's the only realistic option for incentives...anything requiring gov't approval is a non-starter...might as well ask for baiting and hounds.
Quote from: Timberstalker on January 26, 2023, 08:05:24 AMAt what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?Serious question. Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.According to the game management plan it is an emergency, they are 25% below objective. Normally that would meant that they would use hounds and cull the culprit in this case cats. BUT they dont have that option, and Im not sure what other options would be effective.
Quote from: idahohuntr on January 26, 2023, 03:13:45 PMQuote from: KFhunter on January 26, 2023, 10:13:00 AMQuote from: idahohuntr on January 03, 2019, 10:40:27 AMQuote from: KFhunter on January 03, 2019, 10:08:19 AMMy idea was the Predator Incentive Point System. PIPSShooting various predators would give incentive points to something like a quality buck or elk, the idea is that if a hunter has killed enough predators they've earned that huge buck in a quality unit, during a quality hunt window. The details could be worked out later, I'd just like to get this idea of PIPS out there floating around.Bad idea. The last thing this state needs to do is further complicate and expand it's point system. If you want to incentive predator harvest - do something like the foundation for wildlife management and raise private funds to incentive or reimburse those who legally harvest predators. A change like this would require commission approval. And point systems are already a convoluted ponzi scheme in this state, so creating a new point incentives system (while well meaning) still exacerbates the inequity and stupidity of points in the first place.As I noted years ago...follow the F4WM model...provide reimbursement to successful blues predator harvest from a private organization...cuts the commission out of it and does give some incentive. It's the only realistic option for incentives...anything requiring gov't approval is a non-starter...might as well ask for baiting and hounds. I wasn't revisiting the idea, I floated it, it sank We need something else, I don't know that F4WM would want to do anything here other than wolvesI imagine anything of tbat nature would be harassed, threatened whatever by the state, namely inslee and his dog
Quote from: Special T on January 26, 2023, 08:13:22 AMQuote from: Timberstalker on January 26, 2023, 08:05:24 AMAt what point does the dire situation in the blues become an emergency?Serious question. Surely WDFW has authority to deem it an emergency and dispatch additional predator eradication measures.According to the game management plan it is an emergency, they are 25% below objective. Normally that would meant that they would use hounds and cull the culprit in this case cats. BUT they dont have that option, and Im not sure what other options would be effective.Whatever is proposed outside the rules by the director has to be approved by the Wildlife Commission. Aint gonna happen. They want what's happening to happen. They'd speed up the destruction if they could.
