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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #270 on: June 05, 2009, 06:32:40 AM »
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Lots of interesting things on this page, like the video of Spokane News reporting about possible misuse of F&G property.....be interesting to see where that goes.

Must see video...I cringe when I think about WDFW and simmular abuses........ :yike:

I can't believe that the F&G guy actually tried to claim that IDFG was not a a publicly funded entity...talk about stupid.
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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #271 on: June 05, 2009, 06:41:18 AM »
The original natives were often referred to as Red wolves.  Wacoy would know more about species stuff.  They were indeed smaller and often had red shading on their legs and such.  A little harder to distinguish between coyote and wolf.  Size and color.  I had the pleasure of seeing a Ma and Pa and one pup in a den entrance back in the 80's up the Twisp River.  I actually thought that was pretty cool.  These big greys are amazing though for their size.  Amazing isn't a term of flattery by the way...more like  :yike:

I've told this story on here before about NM.........So I dabooner and I were headed to our elk hunt down in 16, which as some of you may know is the Gila and one of the most premier elk hunts in the world.  So we are driving into the unit out of Socorro and we kept seeing these cages alongside the road.  It was at every bus stop as much as we could figure out.  A couple days later a warden stopped to chekc on us and we invited him into the camp to sit next to the fire and BS.   We asked him what the cages were for.  They built them to protect kids waiting for the bus.  Apparantly a pack of thos enice desert wolves decided they liked school kids.   :chuckle:    We were camped right in one of their hotspots, "story of my life the last couple years).  Saw lots of crap and a few tracks, but no wolves.  They ripped the backend out of a cow on the far side of our unit right after Idabooner and I was there, but we didn't see anything.  Cages for your kids.....lovely.   He said three wolves tormented two kids getting off the bus in broad daylight earlier that week.   :o

 The wolves down in that part of the country are actually pen raised. So what you have is wolves that are not afraid of people. Its no accident, that they are shoving these wolve on to the people there. When the wolves that we have up in our part of the country run out of game to eat, its going to get a bit exciting around here also. The longer that these wolf are not managed the more game we lose, and the more wolves there are. In Idaho they put wolves on top of wolves, the same as what they have done in Washington. Now they are sitting in the back of the classroom snickering.

In these hunting forums the enviros. have one of their buddies posing as a hunter. his job is to keep an eye on the real hunters, make sure they don't get on the war path, and if he, she can steer them in a more faverable way. (the wolf is a beautiful creature, very shy, only kills the weak) No Bullsh-t, I didn't beleive it meslf at first.

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #272 on: June 05, 2009, 06:42:28 AM »
After the wolves decimate the ungulates in the methow the brush is going to explode..couple that with the pine beetle and you have a cataclysmic fire in the making......I wonder if the pro wolf crowd ever thinks of that :dunno:

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #273 on: June 05, 2009, 06:44:06 AM »
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In these hunting forums the enviros. have one of their buddies posing as a hunter. his job is to keep an eye on the real hunters, make sure they don't get on the war path, and if he, she can steer them in a more faverable way

Yup we definitely have some Pollyanna's around here.
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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #274 on: June 05, 2009, 06:47:45 AM »
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Lots of interesting things on this page, like the video of Spokane News reporting about possible misuse of F&G property.....be interesting to see where that goes.

Must see video...I cringe when I think about WDFW and simmular abuses........ :yike:

I can't believe that the F&G guy actually tried to claim that IDFG was not a a publicly funded entity...talk about stupid.

The more we learn the worse it smells!!!! >:(

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #275 on: June 05, 2009, 06:49:46 AM »
The way they make it sound there wasnt any wolves here in the first place.  Why would they look into more aggressive planted wolves migrating into Washington and taking out the native wolves if they didnt believe they were here.  Of course they did know they were here, there just isnt any money for them if you already have wolves.

The reason for the canadian wolf introduction is they, the enviromantalist wanted  wolves that would desimate the elk and deer herds and what ever else. with nothing to hunt, where would the hunter be? In Minnasota and that country, they did a study and found that these wolves were killing the native timber wolves and that they were also interbreeding with coyotes. Now we don't know when they started putting wolves in washington, how long was it?  But the more people that you talk to around Washington, the more you realize that there are a hell of alot more wolves than we know about. I would bet the feds and the pro-wolf people don't even know by now, as you can bet that everyone of the female wolves did't just have 1 or 2 pups. who wants to make a bet that they are already in the Olympic Peninsula, but of corse they migrated there on their own.
With all the wolves in MN it's amazing how many deer there are left...what gives?  How is it that (as the thread title implies) "Wolves eating all our deer" but they haven't eaten all the deer in the Great Lakes region?  Weird?

This thred gets better every day.
I disagree.  But now that I look at these links I can see where wolfbait is finding all his unfounded information.  I guess that's the beauty of the internet....WMI central seems pretty reliable  :P :rolleyes:

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #276 on: June 05, 2009, 07:27:44 AM »
Whitetails  Muledeer and elk are different kind of critters if you didn't know.

maybe another factor is site hunting in wide open sage and escapement.

Animals also respond differently if they have been accustomed to it for years versus throwing a new game animal into the mix.  Sort of like the caribou issue in the NE corner with Cats.   

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #277 on: June 05, 2009, 07:43:06 AM »
I can't wait untill we can get some photos of the white vans........its the new black helicopters :)
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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #278 on: June 05, 2009, 07:49:42 AM »
next time the black helo's will have to escort the white vans just in case there's any backlash from the pissed off methow ranchers.

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #279 on: June 05, 2009, 08:17:43 AM »
wolf reintroduction in Arizona and New Mexico,   Most pro-wolf people come out of the closet when the trueth about the wolves starts to show up. If you really want to rile them up, the site takingliberty, brings on a terrible knashing tooth froth.  Whats really a b-tch for them is they cannot deny the facts, all they can do is scream killer at you, pull up on google what the wolf looks like or try to discredit what you post. Everything that I have learned about the wolves has come from hours of searching the net. For thoughs of us that really want to know the answers as to why such a waiste of wildlife is being implimented using the wolf, the net is a life saver. Without the net we would have to go on what the lieing media tells us. The people on this thread have brought out and found information that I haven't seen before, all of it off the net. it is amazing when you get others involve what shows up. I suppose that it wouldn't be to good for the pro-wolfers if more people started, fighting bullsh-t with facts.



http://www.hpj.com/archives/2007/aug07/aug6/Wheregoesthewolf.cfm

Where goes the wolf?


By Michael White

President, N.M. Farm and Livestock Bureau

In the more than two decades of the ill-fated "Mexican Gray Wolf Recovery Program" I cannot remember even one printed or broadcast sentence of good publicity about this boondoggle. That should tell you something. So let's face facts and declare the program a monumental failure that is continuing to cascade out-of-control.

Even through the fluctuating drama of daily events, some things have remained constant during the course of this government-mandated fiasco. One is the fact that the New Mexico Farm and Livestock Bureau has continuously had a grassroots policy against this program from day one. Through the years the hand-wringers have called on us to compromise and to capitulate. We haven't and we won't. Another constant is the solid opposition to this program in the agricultural community and in the cities, towns and rural areas where these predators are being perpetuated. I'm guessing the reason some high-dollar, politically correct pollster has not done an opinion survey in western New Mexico and eastern Arizona is that they know what the results would be. The individuals and groups supporting this mess are a small band of folks who would not make a demographic dent in such a poll. Residents, business people, ranchers, outfitters and tourism-related industries in most cases would give a resounding thumbs down to this program that brings nothing but negative publicity, maulings and death to the area in question.

Certainly one of the tactics of the pro-wolf people has simply been to wear us down. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain if the politicians look the other way, if ranch families go out of business and if the state and federal government continue to cater to their radical agenda which is always anti-agriculture. We must resist their efforts in every way. We must continue to pressure the people who can put a stop to this insanity including state legislators, our congressional delegation, the U.S. Department of Interior and the current administration in the White House. Unfortunately, failure is not a criterion for stopping a government program. In fact, in the twisted world of these fanatics, within and outside the government, failure is every reason to expand within the scurrilous vacuum of in-accountability that is their dark badge of dishonor.

Remember when the government bureaucrats and their apologists in the so-called environmental movement were standing on boxes and telling us the depredation (their word for killing) of cattle would be minimal. We knew that was bovine scatology then and it's an unwelcome, daily fact of life now out in the Gila Forest and the Apache-Sitgrave on the Arizona side. These, pen-raised, human-habituated wolves have been killing cattle, calves and bulls (in the 1,200 pound range) since the first day the feds sicked them on their own citizens. They kill deer, elk, turkey, cats and prized ranch dogs. Recently, wolves killed one of Mark and Mary Miller's horses in its corral. It was the horse their eight year old daughter learned to ride on and now she has trouble sleeping at night. It was a good thing she wasn't on the animal at the time.

And now they want to expand the program in boundary and scope. The Farm Bureau and its members will oppose this at every turn. The hunting, hiking and fishing community had better get on board big time or their pursuits of happiness will be another victim out in the killing country.

We now have to ask then, what is the cynical end to this deadly game? Where do the wolf lovers want this wreck to end up? In ten years... 200 wolves? In 20 years... 1,000? Such a result will be tragic by any measure especially for the one thing the pro-wolf groups never mention and that is the people who live in the affected areas. The children that now must watch their backs at school bus stops, the businesses and ranches that will fail. We therefore have established that the wolf lovers don't care what happens to the citizens of New Mexico or Arizona.

So if the wolf camp wants their program at any cost we must conclude that the deadly, unthinkable equation at work here is that all risk is acceptable including the killing of men, women and children. Do the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and the N.M. Department of Game and Fish agree with that conclusion? They must since they continue to perpetuate this morally bankrupt program.

Based on all we know, and the experiences we have had to date with these mega-predators, the day will come when a child or another person is maimed or killed by government-sponsored wolves.

Will that stop this madness? If the answer is "no" then our nation, and our state are upside down. And to what end? To appease a small minority of environmentalists who will stop at nothing to take down their own country and return it to a pre Columbus environment?

In the community of Reserve, New Mexico, concerned citizens are right now making plans to build enclosures for students waiting at school bus stops. We have come to the point where we are putting our children in cages to protect them from government wolves.

When these sad structures are built, I doubt we will see bureaucrats from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or the N.M. Dept. of Game and Fish show up for this photo-opportunity. However they know, as we know, they have an unsavory rendezvous with destiny from which they cannot run nor hide.




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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #280 on: June 05, 2009, 08:26:56 AM »
I see the black helos every summer.  They buzz my corn patch looking for pot.  :chuckle:

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #281 on: June 05, 2009, 08:33:12 AM »
This thred gets better every day.

if you like reading posts or seeing links to every wolf story on the net, then yeah...i would say so.



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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #282 on: June 05, 2009, 08:39:04 AM »
It gets pretty frustrating when you see something so nice, just disappear in front of your eyes and there isn't a whole lot you can do about it, and there are folks that should know better but don't.  Then the only recourse is going to be ....told you so.    :(

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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #283 on: June 05, 2009, 08:39:24 AM »
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In these hunting forums the enviros. have one of their buddies posing as a hunter. his job is to keep an eye on the real hunters, make sure they don't get on the war path, and if he, she can steer them in a more faverable way

Yup we definitely have some Pollyanna's around here.




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Re: Wolves eating all our deer
« Reply #284 on: June 05, 2009, 08:41:17 AM »
It gets pretty frustrating when you see something so nice, just disappear in front of your eyes and there isn't a whole lot you can do about it, and there are folks that should know better but don't.  Then the only recourse is going to be ....told you so.    :(

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