Wolves eating all our deer

[WAcoyotehunter]

My guess is that the US fish and Wildlife service planted them and is providing the funding for there monitoring.

That would be a way to hide the project from budget, but they stll have to go through a permit process.  they would be in VERY hot water if they did something like that w/out the right process.

[WDFW-SUX]

There are so many loopholes out there..........Do they need a permit if there are already some wolves in an area and they are just adding?  I haven't read all there regulations but something tells me there is a way....especially if they are wanting to avoid a decades worth of litigation........once the bell has been rung its too late anyway

This would also provide cover for WDFW "we did not plant the Wolves" line.

By the time we figure it out its not like we can just round up the wolves that were planted and not kill the natives.

[boneaddict]

Mine too.  But I'm sure the government reports everything it does to us.  

[jackelope]

i would like to know who the genius is that already spoke too.

the last guy on this site that heard about the wolves getting transplanted to twisp referred to hearing about it from the locals in the bars in idaho and montana.
not sure thats a good source of info for me, but apparently it works for some.
 

my experience asking questions where they should be asked shows that the wdfw will not deny relocating wolves within washington if needed, though they had not, at that time, done it yet.  they will not transplant from other states. i am open to the idea that someone may have been blowing smoke up my skirt, but who knows. i think it's more reliable than the guys at the bar.

[WAcoyotehunter]

good question- my guess is yes.  

The wolf management plan allows for wolves to be moved around within the state of washington once one area meets a reproduction goal.  i.e.- when the methow or NE wash have enough breeding pairs they can try to trap/transport them to another recovery zone.  That's a good design becasue NE and the methow are going to be the first ones there and it would expedite the recovery if we could give some wolves away to ge the goals met.    But no zones are at their goal yet and there shouldn't be any effort to move them.

The plan also specifically states that reintroduction is not an option, only movement of Washington wolves to other parts of Washington.

[boneaddict]

When I hear things from locals I trust, such as observations from my father, I tend to believe them.  I'm also well aware of what the government is capable of.  I don't spout it as fact, but I can certainly agree with what another man who lives in the area has to say.  

[WDFW-SUX]

I've asked for various info from WDFW with a freedom of information act request and have been denied..........they are not an open and transparent operation especially when they have done something wrong.

The money for the plant could have come from a grant from the defenders of wildlife crew...they seem to be up to speed on the *censored*s.

[WDFW-SUX]

But no zones are at their goal yet and there shouldn't be any effort to move them.

Problem with that is that technically Idaho and the eastern third of washington are in the same Zone.............US F&W doesn't have to deal with the same state issues either.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I've asked for various info from WDFW with a freedom of information act request and have been denied..........they are not an open and transparent operation especially when they have done something wrong.

The money for the plant could have come from a grant from the defenders of wildlife crew...they seem to be up to speed on the *censored*s.

Have you tried the request from the USFWS?  I'm not sure where else you could check

[WAcoyotehunter]

But no zones are at their goal yet and there shouldn't be any effort to move them.

Problem with that is that technically Idaho and the eastern third of washington are in the same Zone.............US F&W doesn't have to deal with the same state issues either.

Sorry- what I met was zones w/in WA.  Specifically NE washington, north cascades, and Mt. St. Helens. 

[boneaddict]

First of all, I am not going to defend the cow thing one way or another.  It doesn't really take a genius to know they are going to have a hard time to prove whether the wolf killed it or not.  Who is left holding the bag.  You basically have to sit there with a video camera these days and capture it on film.   Its just a piece to the puzzle.  Why wouldn't the wolf kill that cow?  I have alot of sympathy for the ranchers in the area.  I'd hate to be banking on my livelyhood right smack dab in the middle of the new biggest wolf den in the state.  I'm actually surprised they were able to get range permits again for that area.  They have had it for decades, but......

as for conspiracy theorys......I'm very certain that the government does what it wants to when it wants too.  As for hot water, well when you make the rules......   The only solid evidence I could give to you right at the moment is their constant denial of wolves in the first place.  That there is just plain funny.  If you bought that arguement then biologist or not..........so with that in mind, why exactly would we believe a damn thing they said to us.  

[boneaddict]

I'm sure there is more than one source of funds out there for the wolf.  Time it right when Idaho was begging to transport some somewhere.

Have they disclosed all of the pairs that are collared and tagged that they are monitoring.   How about their activity in the Blues, the NE corner, the ones in Lincoln county, etc.   Where is that information?  Is that all public knowledge.   

[jackelope]

alls you have to do is ask. i have. they know where the wolves are in the blues.

whether or not to believe them is another story i guess.

[WDFW-SUX]

Idaho was begging to transport some somewhere.

Bingo..and that was right before ours blew up.


Fido gets in the crate with the USF&W they drop them off in twisp done deal.  Hotel and gas $500 bucks.

The endangered species act provides all sorts of cover for them lying.  They play dumb about Grizzly bears in the cascades and Wolves in Washington. There is no Benefit for them to disclose what they are up to especially in a sensitive area where the wolves could be hunted out really quick if the "folks" discovered what there plan was.

[groundhog]

Not sure how they got there but I am 99 percent sure that they are in the Teanaway now. I saw tracks of two this spring and tried to convince myself that it must have been two huge dogs that were chasing elk. I work in Alaska and see wolf tracks on a daily basis and my first thought was wolves but then I thought "no it couldn't be". Since then I have talk with three reliable outdoorsman that have either seen or heard them.
I was bow hunting in a remote area of northern Idaho (Clearwater 10a) in the 80s and we were seeing tracks, scat, and hearing them and the Idaho game agents told us we were nuts.....

Back to Washington. A Friend of mine asked a game agent if there were wolves transplanted in this part (central) of the state and he said "I can't comment on that".  No denial, just no comment.  Hmmmmm