Wolves eating all our deer

[wolfbait]

To report sightings of a wolf or wolf tracks, or suspected wolf depredation on livestock, contact the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS), the agency responsible for wolf management in Washington. In eastern Washington, the USFWS office can be reached at 509-891-6839; in western Washington, call 360-753-9440. Wolf sightings can also be recorded on the USFWS toll-free hotline, 1-888-584-9038.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/diversty/soc/gray_wolf/fact_sheet.htm

There are no federal or state plans to reintroduce wolves into Washington. With the success of recent federal wolf-recovery efforts in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, it is likely that wolves will increasingly disperse into eastern Washington. State and federal wildlife authorities are monitoring the activity of resident wolves to learn more about their use of habitat and to reduce potential conflicts.

Well it seems this statement contradicts the study I posted above.  Maybe they gave up on the idea or already introduced them where they could.   And it is the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service that is in charge of wolf management in Washington?  Yet WDFW has created a working group to developed a state wolf plan.
 
http://wdfw.wa.gov/do/newreal/release.php?id=jan0807b

Lots of conflicting info here.  Interesting.

I hope you all are doing your part to report your wolf related encounters, even tracks.  (See phone numbers above).  I would like to see a flood of real sightings to help get a management plan in action.  If you SSS we may never see any wolf tags here in Washington.  And just for the record I called DIBS on the first one.     Now what to do with it...rug it, mount it or wear it?

 They say whatever they think you might want to hear at the time. In the washington wolf management plan it says right in there that they will translocate wolves into Washington to speed the reintroduction up. They also say that if one of these wolves kills your stock they will pay you 50% of what they think it is worth.

[WAcoyotehunter]

 They say whatever they think you might want to hear at the time. In the washington wolf management plan it says right in there that they will translocate wolves into Washington to speed the reintroduction up. They also say that if one of these wolves kills your stock they will pay you 50% of what they think it is worth.

For my   I believe Wolfbait knows what he's talking about, I agree with everything he's said so far, very good reporting.

 my is that wolfbait doesn't have any facts at all to back up his arguments.  Show me some evidence and I'll gladly believe what you're saying, but hearsay from the methow valley rumor mill will not cut it.

Translocate and introduce are different.  Translocate means move them around w/in the state of Washington.   It does not say 'into'.


From what I hear- the dead cow was a late calver.  Cows don't live forever.  Maybe wolves did kill it, but maybe they didn't...who knows?

Wolfbait- are you related to the whites in twisp?   It's my suspicion that you are either a white or close associate trying to get a bunch of $hit stirred up to help your case.  again- that's just my suspicion.   

[wolfbait]

  They planted some more this spring on the new game department land they bought this spring. They were trying to claim that these wolves just move in on their own, but then KER-Blam they got caught let them out of crates.  I don't know how many they have turn loose on us.  The new wolves that were suppose to be fattening up on the deer at their new wolf habitat killed a cow last week, so I guess venison is gettin kind of old, or the deer are already ate up or run out of there. wolfbait

Hmmm- where do I start?  Show us some evidence that the DFW planted wolves.  pictures, documents,...?  Anything other than 'word of mouth' which is unrelaible at best (particularly from some mouth's)  Does anyone really think the WDFW could pull something that big off without word getting out?  Also- they would need a permit and there would be a public paper trail.  Go find it and show us.

While you're at it, show some evidence that wolves killed the cow.  There were wolf tracks around a carcass...there have been hundreds of times I've seen coyotes eating on a dead carcass.  That doesn't necessarily mean they killed it...you can probably see where I'm going with this line of reason.  Had the carcass been fresh to determine method of kill you might have something.  Until then, we have a dead cow and no idea what caused it.

I know that wolves kill dogs, but you should show some evidence that it has happened here before making the quantom leap between an urban deer population and wolves driving all the lions and deer into peoples living rooms.

Let's hear what sort of genius comments the SSS crowd has to offer up....

Well the last bunch that they planted in here was seen by some very reliable people when they were being released. Now you can beleive me or not. The cow that was killed, the people who owned the cow had heard the wolves howling about 2:00 in the morning, when they got up that morning the wolves were eating on the cow. Even if they hadn't seen the wolves that morning, if you know anything about how wolves kill, then there just isn't no question. You see wolves get ahold of the nose on an animal and they hang on, and then afew start tearing up the hindquarters, and it isn't long till what ever it is that they have ahold of is down, then they start eatin on it, and sometimes when they are filled up and leave, the animal still isn't dead. The guy who's cow it was, lost a horse last year also. This fellow was planning on taking care of the problem his-self, but he got talked out of it. I talked to one of the people who checked out the cow with the feds, they know what killed it, but they don't want anyone else to know. It won't be long and it will be happening more often and then I will be wanting to know what they have to say wbout it. This is just the beginning for us, we are just now getting elbow deep in wolves. As far as permits and what not, the feds don't need permits, permits are for everyone else. One of these days some of these wolves might be in your back yard, and then you will get to figure out how they got there, and if you are lucky maybe you will get some strait answers but it won't be from the feds or the wolf people. There might be some answers coming down the pike one of these days, on just how many they have actually released in here and when it all started, and if that info. comes through, I will be glad to share and tell. By the way, that cow was about to calve out, and yep they ate the hinquarters and the calf.

[wolfbait]

 They say whatever they think you might want to hear at the time. In the washington wolf management plan it says right in there that they will translocate wolves into Washington to speed the reintroduction up. They also say that if one of these wolves kills your stock they will pay you 50% of what they think it is worth.

For my   I believe Wolfbait knows what he's talking about, I agree with everything he's said so far, very good reporting.

 my is that wolfbait doesn't have any facts at all to back up his arguments.  Show me some evidence and I'll gladly believe what you're saying, but hearsay from the methow valley rumor mill will not cut it.

Translocate and introduce are different.  Translocate means move them around w/in the state of Washington.   It does not say 'into'.


From what I hear- the dead cow was a late calver.  Cows don't live forever.  Maybe wolves did kill it, but maybe they didn't...who knows?

Wolfbait- are you related to the whites in twisp?   It's my suspicion that you are either a white or close associate trying to get a bunch of $hit stirred up to help your case.  again- that's just my suspicion.   

No you are right it doesn't say into, do you suppose they brought our wolves from spokane, or maybe deer park, I really doubt that. Personaly I don't care what you beleive or not. But everything that I have said is true and is happening, and it won't be long and things will really start turning sour.  

No relation to the White's, but I know who they are. As far as their case goes, the courts will figure that one out, anything that I would have to say about the wolves in the methow wouldn't have a dam thing to due with their case. I am just one of many saying the same thing.

[wolfbait]

Idaho was begging to transport some somewhere.

Bingo..and that was right before ours blew up.


Fido gets in the crate with the USF&W they drop them off in twisp done deal.  Hotel and gas $500 bucks.

The endangered species act provides all sorts of cover for them lying.  They play dumb about Grizzly bears in the cascades and Wolves in Washington. There is no Benefit for them to disclose what they are up to especially in a sensitive area where the wolves could be hunted out really quick if the "folks" discovered what there plan was.

Well you're right on the money there.  If I was charged with wolf recovery in Wa I would not tell anyone where the wolves were because I would be afraid of the SSS crowd. 

The wolves in ID are different than the ones in the methow.  DNA evidence as well as their general appearance- different animals.

Them there wolves they hard released in Idaho came out of Canada, the wolves that are in the methow came out of Canada, via Idaho. Same DNA or maybe they are from one of there wolf pens and then to the methow valley. Methow Valley wolves are Canadian DNA wolves. If you don't beleive it, call Scott Fitkin. wdfw biologist

[WDFW-SUX]

I think SF is a tool.

[jackelope]

I think SF is a tool.

he may or may not be a tool, but the wolves are still canadian.

[mossback91]

All I Know is if wolves killed my cow Id want more than 50 percent.......Id want what that cow was worth and money for every calf that it didnt get to have.......

[wolfbait]

Unless you raise stock as a buisiness, I don't think they give anything for your stock or pets that git kilt by their wolves. When their wolves really start killing down here in the valley floor, then I think there will soon be plenty of wolves headed south, about 6ft south. People are gittin tired of this horsesh--. The feds put this killer on the ESA, so that the fine for killing one would be huge for most people that have to deal with them, this was another example of shoving it down our throats. But now the feds are realizing that they were used by the enviromentalist and now they are getting it shoved up, anyways thats what I think.  What the wolf fantasizers don't realize is, in the old days when there was thousands of these wolves around there wasn't as many people that lived out here in the northwest as there are now. So the impact that these wolves will have when the ball really starts rolling is going to make for some bad flareups. The wolf is a totally different fellow then the spotted owl. When these wolves get way out of control, then there will be an open season on them just like in the old days. But by then the damage that they will have caused to our wildlife will be unfixable for years. This will go down as another government screw up. I read something the other day about an animal pit, its where the preditors kill deer, elk ect. down to such a low number they can never recover agin. I would imagine wolf taiste like sh--, but that will be about all we will be huntin.  Everyone will be wearin wolf this and wolf that though.

[WDFW-SUX]

Wolfbait is my new favorite poster

[wolfbait]

I think SF is a tool.

 I won't argue with you either way, but did you mean fool or tool? becuz SF is the one who said that there have been very few wolves killed by cattle in the lower 48. SF loves his wolves and thats fine, but with his job being what it is, he should be concerned about all wildlife. So something agin just dosen't smell to good.

[WDFW-SUX]

Tool and fool are interchangeable in his case.

(thought I'd add stool to the list) Boneaddict

[bearpaw]

I've asked for various info from WDFW with a freedom of information act request and have been denied..........they are not an open and transparent operation especially when they have done something wrong.

This is very interesting, if they had not moved any wolves one would think they would be glad to say so.

[WAcoyotehunter]

All I Know is if wolves killed my cow Id want more than 50 percent.......Id want what that cow was worth and money for every calf that it didnt get to have.......

Why didn't the owners of the cow call the DFW right away when they saw wolves on the cow?  Come on now... 

[WAcoyotehunter]

I think SF is a tool.

 I won't argue with you either way, but did you mean fool or tool? becuz SF is the one who said that there have been very few wolves killed by cattle in the lower 48. SF loves his wolves and thats fine, but with his job being what it is, he should be concerned about all wildlife. So something agin just dosen't smell to good.

I've asked for various info from WDFW with a freedom of information act request and have been denied..........they are not an open and transparent operation especially when they have done something wrong.

This is very interesting, if they had not moved any wolves one would think they would be glad to say so.

They do say so...all the time, but too often it turns into conversations like this.  People will belive exactly what they want to believe.