Wolves eating all our deer

[WDFW-SUX]

maybe one of their packages was leaking wolf. 

 

[wolfbait]

Yep, I sometimes miss it myself, I bet there was more than wolf howling goin on inside that delivery rig.

[wolfbait]

W.I.S.E. Commentary : Wildlife and People

by Valerius Geist, PhD., Professional Biologist, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, the University of Calgary

Note: The following essay was originally sent to the Saskatoon Star Phoenix on Feb. 9th, but they have not printed it as yet. However, it was posted at Wolf Crossing today [here].

I am one of two scientists asked by the Carnegie family to independently investigate the death of Kenton, their son. The coroner’s inquest into this matter was narrowly focused on who killed Kenton Carnegie, to which the correct answer is: a wolf pack. It did not address wider policy issues such as conservation legislation, for the tragedy would almost certainly not have happened in British Columbia despite that province’s share of wolf attacks on humans, nor failures in scholarship that led to the wide and dogmatic acceptance of the view that wolves are not dangerous to humans. That myth has killed at least three persons in North America in the past decade, two of which were highly educated young people. Nor did it dwell on what circumstances lead to the habituation of wolves to humans, one of which is scarcity of natural prey, which could be due to risen wolf populations. In short, there is more to the story than has been addressed by the court or the press.

Nobody involved in the tragedy, including the wolf specialist working on behalf of the coroner’s office, noticed that the habituated wolves had been targeting humans. However, students of urban coyotes described a stepwise progression of behavior, which is shown by coyotes that are targeting children in urban parks. This pattern of increasing familiarization with potential prey is identical in wolves and coyotes. In short, the situation at Camp North Landing was a disaster waiting to happen. Ironically, while biologists studying coyotes affirmed that coyotes targeted humans as prey, wolf biologists denied that wolves were dangerous to people.

The view that – in the absence of rabies - wolves do not attack people has taken so solid a grip in current times, that even after an exploratory attack by two wolves on two camp personnel at Camp North Landing, the threat posed by wolves was not fully recognized. A captive pack of wolves destroyed their new keeper, a biologist with a master’s degree, within three days, a tragedy traceable to the belief that wolves do not attack people. A similar fate befell a lady keeping a pack of wolf hybrids for similar reasons. The view of the harmless wolf may have prevented North American wolf specialists from developing an understanding of the circumstances when wolves are very dangerous to people and when they are not. In North America, unlike in some European and Asiatic countries, the circumstances when wolves pose a danger to humans is rare, but is not absent.

http://www.mtechservices.ca/Kenton/index.php?topic=207.

[wolfbait]

Didn't mean to ruin the mood, a friend of mine sent that little bit of info. to me an I though maybe someone would like to see it. I was wondering if bow hunters can pack a pistol for protection? Seems that bow hunters would be limilted in a wolf attack.

[wolfbait]

less they had them real fast shoes?

[WAcoyotehunter]

bowhunters can carry a pistol now. I'm not sure that a wolf attack is the biggest worry in the woods at this time. 

waiting patiently (?)    for the reply you promised. 

[wolfbait]

Yer probably right, I was talking to a guy just the other day n he was tellin me all about them there wolves, he said they onliest eat the old, crippled,and the sick, he said they like the sick the most cuz they is so easy to catch. He said them wolves was goin to be hard on the shikmunks, and he wasn't to happy bout that cuz he likes his shikmunks. specially when they are roasted over a slow fire with just a touch of salt an pepper. purdy soon we be all mad about not havin our anal shikmunk roast off.

        Glad yer back, nice when a feller don't stay mad to long, I done been taught some manners, yep I'm a quik learner, I don't ever smash my finger with the same hammer twice.

[wolfbait]

bowhunters can carry a pistol now. I'm not sure that a wolf attack is the biggest worry in the woods at this time.

 Actually I am not worried myself about any wolf gittin me, but I do know plenty of folks here that have little kids running around without a care in the world like I did when I was their age. Most of these folks couldn't tell you the differance between a fir tree and a pine tree, and most of them think the wolf is a shy creature and they howl so beautifully. Is there a certin barrel length, that is required?

 I might dig my bows and arrows out and bow hunt this year as the huntin season is way longer, I use to hunt with a bow quite abit, but I got hurt real bad on a job, so mostly all I do now is shoot wolves off the back porch and dragem in the house.

[WAcoyotehunter]

I guess I don't know if there's a barrel length requirement or not.  I'm still uncertian about the white van carrying all these wolves- if so many people saw it and saw the agency folks dumping wolves, it seems that one of them would have come forward by now... particularly in light of how excited some folks are about wolves in the valley.  weird that there have been no actual first hand accounts.

[wolfbait]

I guess I don't know if there's a barrel length requirement or not.  I'm still uncertian about the white van carrying all these wolves- if so many people saw it and saw the agency folks dumping wolves, it seems that one of them would have come forward by now... particularly in light of how excited some folks are about wolves in the valley.  weird that there have been no actual first hand accounts.

Here is how it goes, there were wolf lovers 
that saw the same thing as the people who really ain't infavor of the wolves eating their livestock and family pets. Now the people who love the wolf won't say anything outloud, you know, put it in the paper. but they are saying they saw the same thing down the hippy coradoor. The people who don't like the wolves, well, I know one of them personally and he has a great job, that he could lose over such a conservercial issue. And there are a few others that are just watching the ball bounce around. I have run into a few real time wolf lovers and if you say the wrong thing about the wolf, well you are in for a dam good screemin. This valley is growing but it still isn't like the bigger towns, lot of people know each other here, and there is no since in loosing good friends over the wolf issue which is going to go to the point where people finally git way past mad, and the wolves have lotsa holes, or the wolves start eating some spandex and the wolves have some more holes. what the people behind the wolf don't understand, is that you can only push people so far! And then, Ker-Blam, all hell breaks loose, and then they will wonder just where they lost control, only you and I will know...what "reload" really means.,...How do you make that little line underneeth yer werds, thats cool.

[Kain]

Just playing devils advocate here but is possible that what these people saw was the capture collar and release?  I would think a project like that would require a van that would be able to take the wolf to the vet if something turned sour.   

[jackelope]

oh no you didn't.........

[wolfbait]

Just playing devils advocate here but is possible that what these people saw was the capture collar and release?  I would think a project like that would require a van that would be able to take the wolf to the vet if something turned sour.   

I really don't think so, as the people who really like wolves said "We now have a fresh pack of wolves"  No collars! -Our new wolves will insure that there will be less inbreeding with in the lookout pack.,, And there ya go!

[WAcoyotehunter]

Just playing devils advocate here but is possible that what these people saw was the capture collar and release?  I would think a project like that would require a van that would be able to take the wolf to the vet if something turned sour.   

I really don't think so, as the people who really like wolves said "We now have a fresh pack of wolves"  No collars! -Our new wolves will insure that there will be less inbreeding with in the lookout pack.,, And there ya go!

I don't know the answer to that Kain.   I would say that the state would have made a press release similar to last years had they captured and collared any animals, however, that was before the Whites decided to start killing wolves shipping bloody boxes to canada.  I suspect the agencies will be a bit more careful about who knows what, and I don't blame them.   The that wolf getting poached (yep- it's poaching) was a bad thing for everyone involved.

[wolfbait]

I read the other day, that the feds an pro-wolf people have 50 wolf pens throughout the USA, and one of them is in Tennaway Wa.  or something like that. I know for a fact that they have raised some of these gray wolves or at least thats what the wolf people said this last winter. I would think that, that would make them more use to people. Not that, that would make a difference, as the wolves up in Alaska our the same as what we now have down here, and those up there are just as fearless of people, its like they are thinking, just git in my way and I will slaughter you good. corse I have those faster shoes, so I am safe here on the porch. screen door looks like shi-though.