Wolves eating all our deer

[Kain]

Oh well.    Could have explained both sides.  Was it a government agency that these people saw or one of the many private conservation groups?  I could believe there are just as many activists willing to plant wolves as there are hunters and ranchers willing to SSS.

I have no idea how credible this info is.  Conservation groups or tribes could have done this also.  Idaho use the tribes to get around some of the roadblocks with planting wolves.  I have found no proof of any of them doing it here.  Just an idea for new directions to look in.  So far I remain skeptical that any of the government agencies have released wolves in Washington, although I have mentioned my distrust of them.

http://spectator.org/archives/2002/03/05/wolves-on-the-loose

As for the Washington female, some would say she had a head start. She is an Alpha female (dominant and the only female in a pack to breed) that has participated in thirty-five sheep attacks in Montana's Madison Valley, and she is an alumnus of media mogul Ted Turner's halfway house for recidivist wolves that habitually attack livestock.
In the spring of 2000 Turner -- in cooperation with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks -- had a large holding pen and related facilities built on his Flying D Ranch south of Bozeman, Montana. They've kept dozens of captured wolves there and have tried -- using Pavlovian behavioral methods -- to get them off the drug of attacking cattle and sheep. Turner also hired his own wildlife pointyheads to assist in this project.
A calf or lamb is placed in the pen, and as the wolves -- wearing electro-shock collars -- approach within a few feet, they receive a rude electric shock (PETA call your office!) that discourages further curiosity. Many wolves that went through this program (that plainly doesn't work) have been released back into the wild, where they have resumed their livestock depredations in nearby Paradise Valley. The Washington state female was part of a small pack relocated to the remote Yaak Valley of northwestern Montana, hard against the Canadian border and hundreds of miles from Turner's ranch. From there she made her lone eighty-mile migration to the Colville, Washington area: "To a wolf, that's like an afternoon walk," Ed Bangs, wolf recovery team leader for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, told the AP.

[Kain]

Wolf Haven is in Tenino.  They are a wolf sanctuary and I have found no proof that any of their wolves have been released in Washington. 

http://www.wolfhaven.org/

[wolfbait]

I don't know the answer to that Kain.   I would say that the state would have made a press release similar to last years had they captured and collared any animals, however, that was before the Whites decided to start killing wolves shipping bloody boxes to canada.  I suspect the agencies will be a bit more careful about who knows what, and I don't blame them.   The that wolf getting poached (yep- it's poaching) was a bad thing for everyone involved.

The whites did git caught, but do you really beleive everything that the news media puts out. When all this goes to court, that is when everyone will know what is what.  As Far as people shootin wolves, I have talk to more'n a few people that said,if they even see a wolf on the their place, it will have a hole in it. There are still a few old timers in this part of the country that reamember what the wolves do. There are a whole lot of people that really like deer and other wildlife. So things just are not as cut n dryed as some would have you beleive. Not everyone wants the wolves in here as is flanted through the media. In Idaho, where they spent several dollars managing their elk herds to where they had some to hunt every year and a future in their wildlife, well they have killed several wolves that noone knows about, and the game department has killed several that we know of. The wolf population has not slowed down one drop. At this point you could open the season on wolves and you wouldn't even dent em.

[WAcoyotehunter]

The whites did git caught, but do you really beleive everything that the news media puts out. When all this goes to court, that is when everyone will know what is what.  As Far as people shootin wolves, I have talk to more'n a few people that said,if they even see a wolf on the their place, it will have a hole in it. There are still a few old timers in this part of the country that reamember what the wolves do. There are a whole lot of people that really like deer and other wildlife. So things just are not as cut n dryed as some would have you beleive.  At this point you could open the season on wolves and you wouldn't even dent em.

Yes they did get caught, and rightfully so( I mean come on...the bax was leaking blood  )  I don't need to know all the details of the case to understand that they got caught poaching a protected animal.  I guess we should expect some of the SSS crowd to actually do it, I hope they get caught too.  Hopefully the White's are made an example of and people get the idea that the law has some teeth- but you're right, we shall see what the court has to say.   

[wolfbait]

Was it a government agency that these people saw or one of the many private conservation groups?  I could believe there are just as many activists willing to plant wolves as there are hunters and ranchers willing to SSS.

There was rumors floatin around that the rig had gov. plates on it, but who really knows. I would bet that the feds know just about how many that has been put in here. SF was the first to spout off about the 8 wolves on the new deer fattening grounds in the wenatchee world, some of the locals here new about it way before it hit the papers.

[WDFW-SUX]

The other thing that makes the methow special in regards to wolves (besides plenty of deer to eat) is the burning desire of a large portion of the population to have the "magical" experiance with wolfie and really have no concept of the impact that planted wolves will have on the entire ecosystem. Quite frankly I dont think WAcoyotehunter grasps the severity of whats coming down the pipe for the Methow and Entiat deer herds.

[wolfbait]

 I mean come on...the bax was leaking blood
                              (Box)

There agin that is what you heard from the media!!!!! Give me a break, these people are not slow people, they are dam quik thinkers. Bottom Line, No blood leaking from BOX.
  
                                                 

[Kain]

I personally think there is room for wolves in Washington.  (flame away)  But only if we have a "proactive" management plan in place.  I just dont trust that that will happen.  There are too many federal dollars involved in downplaying wolf populations.  It will get way out of control before the powers that be will finally decide (are forced to admit) that wolves have recovered and can start being managed.  (some would argue that we are already there).  Even after that point the activist groups will hold up every effort in the courts for years after and every instance of poaching will only help their cause.  I dont see us winning this fight especially with how divided we all are.  

[WDFW-SUX]

Gag me...we dont need any wolves our hunting sucks plenty without any help from a non native super predator.

[wolfbait]

Quite frankly I dont think WAcoyotehunter grasps the severity of whats coming down the pipe for the Methow and Entiat deer herds.  
 
 Quite frankly I think Wacoyotehunter knows exzackly what is coming down the pipe, and he is for el wolf. And that is fine and dandy. But I wish that he would explain to me just what the wolf is going to add to the ecosystem. And how the wolf is suppose to balance the ecosystem. Cuz I don't see it happening anywhere that these wolves have been turned loose.
 

[jackelope]

Quite frankly i don't think wacoyotehunter is a fan of the wolves. i think he is of the mind that he would love to see proof of all the talk on here, thats all.

I don't think a lot of people realize the difficulty in hunters managing wolf populations.

[WDFW-SUX]

Hunters can't really do it alone........we need airplanes and poision

[wolfbait]

We had wolves in Washington before they slamed these in on us, Idaho, Montana, wyoming, we all had wolves before they started this big show. thats the whole rotten thing, the wolves were gaining ground on their own and they would have kept gaining in another 30 years maybe a few more we would all have more wolves but they woulda been educated wolves. But some sh-tstains that be, decided that they wanted them here a whole bunch faster. Keepin everything in an ecosystem balanced takes a calm hand all wildlife must be managed. it's like raising stock, if your pasture is gittin over ate you sell a few. These wolves, hell they have a free hand out, they can kill what ever according to the brainless wits that are running this show.  By the time they git their thumb out a their as-es, we won't have any game left and then just who in the -ell are they goin to be blaimin, cuz you know what travels down hill.

[wolfbait]

Hunters can't really do it alone........we need airplanes and poision

We need helicopters, and 243's, maybe some 270's for the slower pilots.

[wolfbait]

Regardless of whether they were planted or not, we have a problem, and we are stuck with it. I think that what bothers some of us the most is being lied to, or not having anything to say about the future of our game and wildlife. When and if the real trueth comes down the pike, it won't matter one whit, we will still be stuck with the wolves. Its what we do today and tomarrow that may have some kind of impact on our situation. So here's an idea, lets all drop the subject on who done what to who, and try an figure away out of this. I'm sure there are plenty who have some ideas! How bout it?