Wolves eating all our deer

[FrankDown]

Most of the people here on the wetside get all angry when you talk about not wanting wolves to run unchecked.  The biggest thing is that they were here first.  Thats about their only argument.  They refuse to believe that wolves eat as many deer a year as they do, elk too.  They think that wolves are totally and ghastly afraid of humans.  They also know that they wont likely see one in their Ballard or Capitol Hill yards or alleyways.  These peopel dont care about anyone else.  Thats the biggest thing I hate about living in western Washington.  These people have no common sense, and they dont care about anyone but themselves for the most part.  Why would common sense be a factor in managing anything.

Machias is correct in his reasoning.  The antis see the wolf as a hunter stopper.  The antis dont care about your horses, cattle, or pets that you suppress, hold dominion over, and belittle by giving them names and making them hang out with you.  They dont want you to have a pet, beast of burden, or meat animals.  No animals at all.  So what do they care of they eat your horse, dog, or cow.  If they eat your kids, that many fewer people to pass on a legacy of brutality.  Its a win win they think.  In the end they will have to be managed one way or another.

[wolfbait]

What you say is all true frankDown, and I Know that there are people from all walks of life who are just as dicussed as we are over this  wolf issue. And then you have a pile that only see the wolf as this great romantic animal, they only see what the pro-wolfers want them to see, they brand the hunter as barbaric ect.  There is really no middle ground on this issue. In the end everyone will get to deal with the wolves in some way The bottom line here is, by the time that they git to be delisted most of our game might be in the animal pit. that is, they will have sunken so low that they will not recover, this has happened in Alaska with the cariboo in places, and Alaska is a big wild state without the population of people that we have down here.

[Elkaholic daWg]

   Bearpaw is right with that statement. How long will it be before the greenies file a lawsuit to save the endangered game animals?
 These people won't be happy until we all get off the planet so thier wolves can play in thier anti access, anti hunting, wilderness areas.
 What many need to realize is that where they can divide all public land users that don't see things EXACTLY thier way, and get us all pointing fingers at each other (Hunters, ATVers Snowmobilers, Horsemen, Mountain bikers, Trappers,and on) they will win, slow and steady......deserting each user group as they are not needed any more.
 It would be good if we could all stand together to fight all thier agendas...but can we? I would bet the majority of posters here have more in common with the land use groups I listed before than any of these desk dwelling people who want these wolves to be undisturbed in thier utopia that is thier goal.

 Now I have seen timberwoves up close and personal in my years of hunting this state and I have no problems with them, but the transplanted Canadian greys will exterminate them.

 Here is a link to a thread on Snowest regarding problems with wolves in the transplanted areas. You will find it interesting how passionate these people are about  what needs to be done to put an end to the problems they are enduring.


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[hogsniper]

The number ended up being 27 or 28. Game department said approximatly 7 wolves so they initially killed 3. Then a couple weeks later they killed a 3 year old bull. When the shooting stopped they had wayyy more than what they thought.    Last year while elk hunting in that area I could hear three different packs howling at the same time... Thats wayyyy to many in one area!!! We are fugged!!!!

[Elkaholic daWg]

   Anyone who used that link would already know that they have a taste for Kitty Kat too. Pic is from Sun Valley...very near town.

[bearpaw]

Just recieved this woldf news on email.......

http://www.ussportsmen.org/Page.aspx?pid=2021&srctid=1&erid=3148720

[Machias]

We all knew that was coming.  Thanks for the link.

[hogsniper]

What is the Sierra club?? I thought they were on our side???

[jackelope]

What is the Sierra club?? I thought they were on our side???

yeah no...definitely not on our side.

[jackelope]

not as hard core as others though either

[cabin308]

What is the Sierra club?? I thought they were on our side???

Nope.  Sierra Club is not on our side.  They encourage the moving of wolves to other areas to speed up the "recovery timeline". 
 http://cascade.sierraclub.org/node/2031

[Kain]

What is the Sierra club?? I thought they were on our side???

yeah no...definitely not on our side.

Definitely not on our side.  They get the same pass as the humane society.  Most people think that the humane society just adopt and rescue pets but they are very anti hunting.  Sierra Club is a very powerful environmental group and close up land from development but also close it to hunting.
Here is the section on wolves in Washington.
http://cascade.sierraclub.org/node/2031

[cabin308]

What is the Sierra club?? I thought they were on our side???

yeah no...definitely not on our side.

Definitely not on our side.  They get the same pass as the humane society.  Most people think that the humane society just adopt and rescue pets but they are very anti hunting.  Sierra Club is a very powerful environmental group and close up land from development but also close it to hunting. 

Here is the section on wolves in Washington.
http://cascade.sierraclub.org/node/2031

We were thinking the same thing

What is the Sierra club?? I thought they were on our side???

Nope.  Sierra Club is not on our side.  They encourage the moving of wolves to other areas to speed up the "recovery timeline". 
 http://cascade.sierraclub.org/node/2031

[WDFW-SUX]

                                                
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Glad I could help.

[jackelope]

at one point Muir and Teddy were "allies"

i bet that wouldn't hold true anymore.