Wolves eating all our deer

[boneaddict]

Thats why I laughed out of my skin when they announced the first real wolf pack.  Whateva....... "Show me the evidence"  well even from teh source its a frickin lie when it comes to them.   

[wolfbait]

The really scarey part is that there are not enough country minded residents in Washington to overcome the loud voice of the 3 county concrete jungle in the voting booth and in the legislature.

Yer right as rain on that, But if we can inform more people, and show them just what is going to happen, who knows, there are a pile of people here in the valley that are from over on the westside who don't want these wolves also. Then their are some that just don't know the real trueth about whats going to happen. what we need is someone to donate their life to the cause, some one important, if these wolves killed someone say, right out of down town Twisp or Winthrop, well that would give us the edge. I would do it, but I am not that important.

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 I would do it, but I am not that important. 

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Wolves have been hammering the deer herds in the Methow Valley for the past 3-4 years, and these idiots think it's "great news" that the
wolves are back. 

Playboypenguin


Is there a deer shortage now? 

Yes, there most assuredly is. We have hunted deer in the Methow Valley for over 20 years. We have not seen a legal buck the last three seasons, and we hunt hard. The number of deer in the area is way down, overall. Many people I have talked to, including game wardens, attribute a large percentage of the decline to wolves. You may call that anecdotal evidence, but people who actually hunt in the area believe it to be fact.
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http://www.theoutdoorlodge.com/features/articles/outdoors/yellowstone_wolf_experiment.html

November 22, 2002

Yellowstone Wolf Experiment Out of Control


http://timberwolfinformation.org/info/archieve/newspapers/viewnews.cfm?ID=2216

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I talked with a Gal that worked with Bears by Yellowstone last week. She said they are not allowed to say the K word(Killing) when talking about the Wolves, it scares people away from the park!!! They say the Wolves are hunting!!! She told me the wolves leave so many partillay eatin carcarses that the Grizzlys are not denning in the Winter!!!
    I talked to a gun dealer in Billings (he was from the Spokane area)that told me he took his family to Yellowstone last summer for a camping trip. Him and his wife in a tent and his 2 children in a tent next to them. They stayed 5 nights and the Wolves came into their camp two nights!!!  He told me he had a pistol with him. But he had a hard time sleeping!!!

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The feds wanted to make the wolves a tourist attraction, but what they are finding out is yellowstone has actually declined in tourist since the wolves have been introduced, I think the maybe the feds would like to turn loose of this now that it is starting to smell bad, but they can't because the enviromentalists are running the show with their power to sue. After all this wolf reintroduction would have never went through if it wasn't for the eviromentalists footing the bill. Once they got their foot in the door, they could give the feds a kick in the ass and send them down the road. Which is just what they did when when the delisting came into veiw.

[wolfbait]

I found this on the bulletin board this morning, sort of explains, that they really don't care what the out come is as long as they get their own way.



http://www.methownet.com/bulletinboard.html
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Wolves--- livestock, dogs, hunting, snowmobiles, Where is this going


#2 Today 7:55 AM
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Registered: 06/06/09 Re: Wolves--- livestock, dogs, hunting, snowmobiles, Where is this goinghttp://spectator.org/archives/2002/03/0 … -the-loose



"Wolves and livestock can't coexist. Period," Sharon Beck, a rancher and past president of the Oregon Cattlemen's Association, told the AP. "Their [environmentalists] agenda is to get us off the public lands".

Brooks Fahy, executive director of the Predator Defense Institute in green Eugene, doesn't deny it: "Fifty percent of Oregon is prime wolf habitat…that has essentially been trampled.…The West is being treated like it was a giant feedlot.…We don't see any gray areas.…We want livestock off of public lands



As "experimental" wolves expand their ranges in the Northern Rockies and Pacific Northwest, environmental groups are cynically using such tools as the Endangered Species Act to limit commercial activity on and access to public lands, and they have allies in the federal agencies. We have seen this recently in the infamous lynx study scandal involving the U.S. Forest Service and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and in the lately published report by the National Academy of Sciences on the erring of federal officials in cutting off irrigation water to protect three species of fish in last summer's Klamath Falls, Oregon "farmers vs. suckerfish" struggle



Who's running this experimental wreck?




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#3 Today 8:41 AM
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If any of you are wondering why this post is in here twice,  I was practicing my translocating techniques.

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[WDFW-SUX]

It's very interesting to read that the enviros see the wolf as a tool to remove stock from public lands   

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Its just not the cattlemen their after thats just the first step, they will be the first to go, and then it will be the rest of us.

[WDFW-SUX]

Who's the wolf lover?

[FrankDown]

I can gardy discuss this with people here on teh wetside.  They get PO'd and upset.  Being compared to  a f*g wolf killer among other things for even talking about managing the wolves.  Without an exit strategy (something those people should have some mind of) where is it going inthe end?  A hatred for mankind, jealousy, and control.  I have nothing against wolves being here in Washington per se, but these people dont want to control them.  They see the wolves clearly as a pass to keep people out of "their" woods, to control hunting, and in general, to get a warm fuzzy feeling. 

How many people have filed lawsuits against the environmentalist that are pushing for these things?  It seems that they arent founded in science, but emotion.  The impact it has is detrimental and counterproductive to conservation efforts in many areas.  If these groups were sued or held accountable perhaps things will change.  I cant see how they come up with the money that they do.  It all comes down to money, and the power follows.  Regardless whether or not it is sound conservation or emotion.

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They get their money from lying to the gullible, people that have only seen wildlife on TV. The environmentalists even make their own fake films, they don't show the whole picture, such as you see on saveelk.com. The first time I put that on the methownet bulletin board you should have heard them yowling. They called me a wolf killer,hater you name it. Some of these people have been fooled real well but if you keep showing them facts, the ones that have any brains at all will see the light. sometimes you have to stir people up a bit to get them involved, but if you use all true facts and know what you are talking about, can back it up. The ones that actually care about other wildlife and not just the wolf will come around.  Don't even bother with the screamers because they have it to set in their mind and the more that you argue with them the less ground you gain. Generally, hunters and fisherman, ranshers, loggers and people who truely enjoy the outdoors know more about whats going on in the brush then all the others put together. And these same people care for it better then the dip sh-ts in charge. The Only way that we can beat the environmentlist at this game they are playing is to get the wolves out of here or delisted and hunted. Because the longer that these wolve run wild and multiply the more control they will have over all of us. "you guys" have been a pleasure to talk to about this problem, you all come up with some great answers and ideas. This problem isn't about who found what first and shared it with who, this is about sharing it with everyone that you can, as long as it is true facts. Its about searching the net. getting as much as you can out of it than sharing, talking about it. figureing this all out. If we don't somehow stop this than we are sh-t up the crick. I put another good one on the methow bb tonight, if you want I will post it here to, some of it came from what you guys dug up and its a dandy. Its a long bugger to.

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I can gardy discuss this with people here on teh wetside.  They get PO'd and upset.  Being compared to  a f*g wolf killer among other things for even talking about managing the wolves.  Without an exit strategy (something those people should have some mind of) where is it going inthe end?  A hatred for mankind, jealousy, and control.  I have nothing against wolves being here in Washington per se, but these people dont want to control them.  They see the wolves clearly as a pass to keep people out of "their" woods, to control hunting, and in general, to get a warm fuzzy feeling)

authorized illegal issuance of the agreements.   www.saveelk.com

American Alps Legacy Project envisions a bigger, better national park:

American Alps Legacy Project envisions a bigger, better national park, “We will not cut people out of areas of traditional use,��  said Davis. “We’ll make sure lots of areas are left for hunting.��  Harts Pass, a popular snowmobile area, is not included in the study area. More hiking trails will be available in the park, isolated from hunting. “People think the scenic corridor is protected, but it could be developed,��  said Jim Davis, executive director for NCCC. He said, “it might not change in the next 10 to 20 years, but as the social structure changes, the land now under Forest Service management could support mining, downhill ski areas and small hydroelectric projects. As energy prices go up, it becomes more economically feasible to develop renewable energy that could de-water streams and string power lines to the west,��
Statements like these are scare tactics that the environmentalists use to deceive people. As most of you may know, it is very hard to do anything to state, federal, or even private property without the environmentalists interfering
The American Alps project would protect critical watershed landscape features; extend wildlife corridors and non-motorized recreation opportunities to the growing population from the Puget Sound area. Environmentalists’’ statements like these woo people away from reality. The environmentalists pick these wolves to gain control of the land with rulings through the ESA. They have done it with the spotted owl, the salmon, and the list goes on. NOTE: The area being studied for more protection includes land on both sides of Highway 20 just a few miles past Mazama.


http://wolfcrossing.org/2009/05/26/wild … -ranching/
Wild Earth Guardians launches rural cleansing campaign against Gila residents and ranching
Protecting the Gila

WildEarth Guardians wants to secure lasting and landmark protection for the endangered wildlands and wildlife of the Gila Bioregion in southwestern New Mexico and southeastern Arizona. Our vision is a healthy population of wolves surrounded by millions of acres of newly designated wilderness. Eventually we believe that America’s first Wilderness Area should become its next great National Park or National Monument. How could such a bold vision come to fruition? Come find out about WildEarth Guardians’ strategy to lead the way in protecting the Gila. We look forward to a great conversation! Please RSVP to Carol Norton, 505-988-9126, ext. 1150 or cnorton@wildearthguardians.org.

You really wanted to know what’s what, well this is it. Take it seriously, because they are playing for keeps and we don't have a lot of shots at this. If we mess this up, we will be royally messed up. longshot

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Through the ESA rulings the environmentalists, anti-hunting groups, etc. are using the wolf to gain control of more land, parks, etc. These groups are all bound together, they use each other to gain the same. The environmentalists are supposed to be the group that cares about animals and endangered species. Who would have thought that they would actually do harm to so much wildlife in order to control more land, stop hunting rights, etc. and the list goes on. These groups give a whole new meaning to the phrase, "what do skunks really smell like?" Now we know!
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http://www.methownet.com/bulletinboard.html

[FrankDown]

"We've already screwed up all sorts of things with human-caused changes to wildlife habitat, and wolves will simply have to be managed just like everything else," Petrie said. "The sooner we get to it, the better off we'll all be, including the wolves."

I agree with this...

[wolfbait]

The media like environmentalists pay checks also!