Wolves eating all our deer

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creating a park corridor from Yellowstone to the Yukon to give movement to animals as climate changes.

 

Do any of you guys have white guilt?  I know I dont.

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Abundant Wildlife Society of North America                       


PO Box 2
Beresford, SD 57004
(605) 751 - 0979
Abundant Wildlife Society of North America
INFORM YOURSELF -- HELP WILDLIFE -- PROTECT YOUR FREEDOM
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updated March 11th 2004

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[boneaddict]

Protect the Predator

typical these days.  Take 6 cows today in a group.  One had twin calves the other had none. (hear it now...maybe some were bedded..NOT) Thats with todays bear and cougar problems.  No wolves in the area.  Why not throw them into the mix.  Yep, natural selection I guess.  Firgure out what that does for YOUR HUNTING.  Manage game how you want to.  Do you want them managed to where you are Hunting or you are NOT.

[wolfbait]

Protect the Predator

typical these days.  Take 6 cows today in a group.  One had twin calves the other had none. (hear it now...maybe some were bedded..NOT) Thats with todays bear and cougar problems.  No wolves in the area.  Why not throw them into the mix.  Yep, natural selection I guess.  Firgure out what that does for YOUR HUNTING.  Manage game how you want to.  Do you want them managed to where you are Hunting or you are NOT.

I know several folks who like to "study" wolves through the scope of their deer rifles. 

"War is good when good survives and evil is crushed. If you don't crush evil then evil will get you." Ted Nugent

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so"...............Ronald Reagan.

"If everybody is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" General George S. Patton Jr. 
     
 

[WAcoyotehunter]

Just so everyone knows i wasn't try to launch a personal attack on wacoyotehunter.....if he took it that way, I apologize!!!   

Wacoyotehunter makes some extremely good points and seems to bring an angle to this debate that not everyone considers....I definitely would not want to offend him to the point that he left the duscussion....this discussion needs all the input it can get from eveyone.

I was trying to point out that the Agencies are not necessarily the know-alls that we all wish they were. The bio's have far too many projects forced upon them. Often times local residents actually have opportunities to make observations that the bios don't get.

The other important point I was trying to make is that you can only pressure people and wild animals so far and you start getting reactions to the pressure. I think we are seeing reactions from the people of idaho who have taken a serious hit to their lifestyle and reactions from an unmanaged wolf population that is outgrowing its prey base and having to pioneer into new areas or go hungry.

Again I want to emphasize that i meant no disrespect to anyone.   

No offense at all- good points and lots of truth.  The bios don't know all the information they need to make perfect decisions.  We should be helping them out as much as we can, not trying to make enemies with the agencies.   I did not see it as a personal attack at all (although what's one more    ) Good points.

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This is what will be said of the Methow Valley in a few more years:


Big- Windy in the woods with wolves...

The local hunters talk about the huge size of the imported Canadian wolf, the large massive head, the large 6 inch track, the fearlessness of the non-hunted beast that has decimated our elk herds and upset the balance of nature we had in our state before Federal intervention. In a deer stand the wolves come in and circle the tree and will not leave. The hunter in the tree stand is held hostage.

An elk hunter with a bow sees a pack of 12 wolves who spot him and target him as a meal. He is saved by his buddy who comes over the hill with a rifle. Hunters tell of the meadow with no elk tracks but plenty of wolf tracks where hunters have hunted elk for years. They hunted Bald Mountain for years, my neighbors did, until no elk, only wolf tracks, so they don’t hunt any more. The only hunters on the Lolo Divide Road are from out of state. They don’t know yet it is a waste of time to buy an elk tag in north central Idaho. Home of the non- native, non- endangered Canadian wolfie, where ranchers and many outfitters have gone out of business. People who used to hike and camp up Kelly Creek return no more. The place is full of wolves and folks are less and less seen on the trails of north central Idaho.

I moved to Idaho and married the Game Warden who patrolled the North Fork of the Clearwater River on the Clearwater National Forest. Back then we had a native Idaho wolf who was tall, lean and black. We got him on video. He was catching field mice just off our place. Gene told me that the local people knew about our wolves, and protected them. I thought he was nuts. I thought wolves were bad. I remembered the story Mrs. Mead told me when I was in high school. I remembered the things I had read in Wild Animals I have Known, by Ernest Seton-Thompson, copyright 1898. Some wolves wantonly kill, like old wise Lobo. Mrs. Mead was young and crossing the prairie in a wagon and the family came across a wolf kill. A cow was down, half the hindquarter eaten, then the wolf left; but the cow was still alive. Wolves can be messy killers.
But the local Idaho wolf just ate mice near our farm, never caused trouble. I began to realize we could live in harmony with wolves. All of that has changed now since the Feds upset the balance of nature, brought in the non- native very large Canadian prairie wolf. Now local public opinion has changed towards the wolf.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344456&page=5

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HE DETAILS OF DELISTING
Wolf Hunts in the West Inevitable, But Perhaps Years Away


By Peter Metcalf, 2-11-08

State proposals for wolf hunts this fall continue to move forward in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho in advance of the anticipated removal of gray wolves from the Endangered Species Act later this month, and all three states include public hunting as an integral component of their federally approved wolf management plans.

But hunters might not want to make plans to hunt wolves anytime soon. 

“We fully anticipate litigation over delisting that could last several years,” Ed Bangs, Wolf Recovery Coordinator for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service says. 

Until all legal challenges are resolved, the wolves would remain a federally protected species under the Endangered Species Act and protected from public hunting. 

http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/wolf_hunts_in_the_west_inevitable_but_perhaps_years_away/C38/L38/

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[Elkaholic daWg]

  Seen this? in general discussion

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,29120.0.html

[WDFW-SUX]

I herd locals are putting out traps to catch wolves...