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Big fat out front
« on: February 16, 2023, 02:23:32 PM »
I’ve been following THP on YouTube for quite some time.  I noticed those guys switched up their setups to high foc and single bevel heavy broad heads with some bone crushing results.   I’m wondering if any of you guys are doing the same and what you think of this?  20-30% foc. 200-300gr broad heads.
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2023, 03:18:14 PM »
My arrows are too long to get that kind of FOC unless i want an arrow that weighs a pound.  I tend to chase shiny things so I've been purposely not looking at anything archery on YouTube and run a tried and true bow and arrow.  It saves me all kinds of money.   :chuckle:

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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2023, 03:19:47 PM »
I'm newer to archery but I figured I'd try to start out right so I have been practicing with 600 grain setups almost all up front. Definitely quiet compared to lighter arrows.

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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2023, 03:31:40 PM »
I follow the ranch fair for his data and thought i would increase foc and see for myself the difference.  I shoot 28 inch 9.5 with 125g single bevel heads with 100g out certs. No more “it deflected” off the branch u couldn’t see.  Doing brush shoots showed it blows through the branch’s not deflecting out to god knows where.  I’m a believer.

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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2023, 03:42:12 PM »
I follow the ranch fair for his data and thought i would increase foc and see for myself the difference.  I shoot 28 inch 9.5 with 125g single bevel heads with 100g out certs. No more “it deflected” off the branch u couldn’t see.  Doing brush shoots showed it blows through the branch’s not deflecting out to god knows where.  I’m a believer.
I’ve been binge watching ranch fairy last few days.
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2023, 04:06:42 PM »
I shoot a 50 # bow. I am old, it is all I can pull anymore. I switched from shooting 400 spine arrows with 100 grain tips (total weight was about 425 I think).
Now I shoot 340 spine arrows with 100 grain inserts and 125 grain 3 blade fixed broadheads for a total of about 525 grains.
The arrows go right through the deer I have shot with the heavier setup. Had lots of pass throughs with the lighter set up too.
Getting the range correct is more critical with the heavier arrows.
I found it easier to spine tune the heavier arrows.
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2023, 04:19:16 PM »
I've been intrigued by this and am seriously considering switching my arrow/broadhead setup. Being color blind, having the pins spread farther apart appeals to me too as I'm usually pretty darn good at judging distances and my pins now are almost on top of each other, blocking my view.


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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2023, 06:04:29 PM »
Think I’ve found my combo
20 yards, bare shaft, 460 gr head/insert weight, 300 spine , 29.5” shaft length
25.6% foc
766.8gr total weight
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2023, 07:44:32 AM »
How fast is that 766 grain arrow flying ?

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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2023, 08:19:15 AM »
How fast is that 766 grain arrow flying ?
no idea.  I don’t have a chronograph for arrows. Not worried about speed. It’s faster than a traditional and slower than a twizle stick 😂
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2023, 08:26:02 AM »
Years ago a large buddy of mine shot 635 grain full length aluminum arrows using a bow weight measured at 84 lbs. And he would just stand there holding it like it was nothing. It used to knock my target over nearly every shot. Now THAT is some power.
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2023, 08:36:46 AM »
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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2023, 11:20:05 AM »
I did a fair amount of reading/research on this subject a couple years ago, (I shot Arrow Dynamics at that time), Shot different arrows through a chronograph, calculated drop, etc., etc. and eventually got into some articles that got my attention. 

As in everything, there are two ends of a spectrum, and you are at one end of it.  :chuckle:...There are serious trade offs to consider when deciding to huck arrows of that weight overly far.
I know others who got deep into the heavy/extreme foc thing and they are still heavy but moderately, rather than overly.  Moderation is a good path.   :twocents:

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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2023, 11:45:49 AM »
I personally feel a lot of this stuff on YouTube and Insta is more social marketing than anything else. They are just trying to generate new sales imo. Massive foc and weight may make a difference with trad guys but not so much in highly efficient compound bows. My arrow is and has been 29" 413 gr for over 10 years. I've killed elk, deer and Moose from 8 yards to 80 and I've never had a problem. My kinetic energy is in the mid 70s. If you have a current setup I wouldn't change just to follow a trend but that's just me.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2023, 01:31:38 PM by highside74 »

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Re: Big fat out front
« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2023, 01:13:53 PM »
Ed Ashby has over 30 years of arrow lethality testing on hundreds of animals, all testing done on animals with over 117 data points for every shot. All info is free and he doesn’t sell anything.

The Ashby Bowhunting Foundation’s goal is to provide the bowhunter with the information to achieve highest possible success rate and reduce the wound/non-recovery rate of big game to the lowest level possible. Through a program of continuing research, the Foundation seeks to find the most lethal arrow setups, considering all possible hits under real hunting conditions, and to make the results of this testing available to the global bowhunting community free of any cost, utilizing multi-media outlets for information and test results.

In addition to the individual bowhunter the Foundation will make testing results available to bowhunter education programs worldwide, and all government agencies responsible for promulgation of bowhunting laws, to encourage regulations that testing indicates will lower the wound/non-recovery rate of game.

The Foundation will strive to reconfirm the accuracy of any prior testing and to explore any and all untested avenues of research, including the ongoing testing of new broadheads and arrow components. To this end the Foundation will conduct both ongoing field testing and works with established university programs for various technical testing and analytical functions.

As with all the previous testing, the Foundation accepts no funding, direct or otherwise, from the archery industry, thus keeping the Foundation’s testing truly independent of industry influence.




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