Mallard numbers?

[Stein]

Problem is we're just one state, if there is an issue I would prefer to see the feds deal with it so everyone is on a level playing field.  I know many others are below 7, but WA seems to be more of a one way trip.  Look at our snow limit and swan ban and many will argue if we go to a 5 (or fewer) mallard limit, it won't ever go back no matter how many there are.  I would tend to agree with that notion given recent commission activities and viewpoints.

Personally, I don't shoot 7 very often and I can't remember ever shooting a straight 7 mallard bag so it's not a huge deal for me.

[metlhead]

I primarily hunt the westside and just see increases in all bird numbers. Low numbers will only be used as an excuse to chisel away the season until most folks won't utilize it. No use, shut it down. Look what has happened to our bluebill seasons. I imagine much different season structures often, but never to reduce opportunity.

[hdshot]

I primarily hunt the westside and just see increases in all bird numbers. Low numbers will only be used as an excuse to chisel away the season until most folks won't utilize it. No use, shut it down. Look what has happened to our bluebill seasons. I imagine much different season structures often, but never to reduce opportunity.

My experience is there was a 2 week shutdown in October back when I started mid 80’s plus the season was closed early January for ducks.  Also daily limit was 3 mallards while over fields looked like seagulls over the local dump.  Now numbers crashed and to harvest money for licensing fees, season were extended and daily limit went up. The game department knows the average joe can’t shoot them into extinction following game laws.  If anything the product is so bad for the middle man atm things will keep going against common sense so we keep buying and hoping.

[metlhead]

Maybe it is just something that you folks on the eastside are experiencing, cause there seems no shortage of them over here during both hunting and nesting seasons.

[h2ofowlr]

Maybe it is just something that you folks on the eastside are experiencing, cause there seems no shortage of them over here during both hunting and nesting seasons.

The challenge on the east side, is the big clubs are planting crops and holding most of the birds.  They have changed the flyway in many cases.  When you have the triangle hold 100k plus mallards and only club guys, private entities or guided hunters at Eagle Lakes get an opportunity at them.  When many are looking for birds, Eagle Lakes will shoot 35-50 limits daily of birds.  When one location like Eagle Lakes, is harvesting over 20k birds a season, it can have a direct effect on numbers and distribution of waterfowl.

[metlhead]

Understood, but says to me that mallard numbers are still doing well. Distribution is bad.

[hdshot]

Alaska has done very well and I would guess the bulk of ducks would stay west and west Alberta once was the mallard factory for the east part of the state. Just a un educated guess looking at the pacific flyway maps. Also the past 2 summers over here have been very destructive and hope that won’t continue.

[h2ofowlr]

Understood, but says to me that mallard numbers are still doing well. Distribution is bad.

In this state, production numbers are way down.  I saw it used to be close to a million birds and now it is closer to 150K.

[hunterednate]

Maybe it is just something that you folks on the eastside are experiencing, cause there seems no shortage of them over here during both hunting and nesting seasons.

The challenge on the east side, is the big clubs are planting crops and holding most of the birds.  They have changed the flyway in many cases.  When you have the triangle hold 100k plus mallards and only club guys, private entities or guided hunters at Eagle Lakes get an opportunity at them.  When many are looking for birds, Eagle Lakes will shoot 35-50 limits daily of birds.  When one location like Eagle Lakes, is harvesting over 20k birds a season, it can have a direct effect on numbers and distribution of waterfowl.

Yes, this is absolutely part of the equation. The problem is not just mallard production, but harvest rate of mallards (assessed by band report data). The current harvest rate is not sustainable when coupled with habitat loss locally and drought conditions in the Alaskan/Canadian breeding grounds. Flooded corn compounds attract mallards to shotgun barrels with extreme effectiveness, which undoubtedly contributes to the rising harvest rate. Like mallard meth, especially in severe winter weather.

[metlhead]

This is similar to the salmon debacle. Multiple reasons that numbers are down, non-human predation being the top problem. Easy to fix but will never happen. Point at the sportsperson and reduce! These reductions do not work because the real problems persist. Personally, I am not in favor of any move to reduce opportunity.

[hdshot]

Understood, but says to me that mallard numbers are still doing well. Distribution is bad.

In this state, production numbers are way down.  I saw it used to be close to a million birds and now it is closer to 150K.

Wow, way worse than I thought.  My hunting partner should apologize because I'm trying to ring the alarm with facts but he acted like a captain that absolutely lost his ship because he thought I was only being negative.  Now he never invites me over to the people he hunts with on their awesome land which is fine but he brings them over to our spot which puts all his ethics at rock bottom.   He did ask if ok before his mishap and was good because kids were involved and felt I needed to do my part to save our sport. For Him he doesn't care about people politically on his side and throws the people out of the circle that take responsibility.  Recently there have been serious gun control laws signed because of behavior like this over time and he is not the only one.  Most people in my position just move on only to think about health care and education instead of staying focused on the many challenges sportsman and law-abiding gun owners face.

[hdshot]

Hope residents and the areas of the duck factory are ok! https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmonton/2023/5/5/1_6385732.amp.html

[hdshot]

Not looking good for Alberta. 

[hdshot]

Sad to see wildfire smoke migrating into eastern Washington from Canada this early in the year.

[Special T]

I primarily hunt the westside and just see increases in all bird numbers. Low numbers will only be used as an excuse to chisel away the season until most folks won't utilize it. No use, shut it down. Look what has happened to our bluebill seasons. I imagine much different season structures often, but never to reduce opportunity.

My experience is there was a 2 week shutdown in October back when I started mid 80’s plus the season was closed early January for ducks.  Also daily limit was 3 mallards while over fields looked like seagulls over the local dump.  Now numbers crashed and to harvest money for licensing fees, season were extended and daily limit went up. The game department knows the average joe can’t shoot them into extinction following game laws.  If anything the product is so bad for the middle man atm things will keep going against common sense so we keep buying and hoping.

It was also in the 80s when we lost the separate bag limit for Merganser. We never got that back  and we have ample reasons to reinstitiute it now. Aka salmon