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It's wierd they do this but stop the lion hunters in San Juan, book cliffs, and la sal in the spring unless you drew a spring bear tag. I hunt the Utah Colorado border a bunch but at the end of this month my Utah pursuit tag is no good. Only way I can hunt my hounds close to home after March is guiding a client with a bear tag in his pocket.
Quote from: Houndhunter on March 15, 2023, 08:04:59 AMIt's wierd they do this but stop the lion hunters in San Juan, book cliffs, and la sal in the spring unless you drew a spring bear tag. I hunt the Utah Colorado border a bunch but at the end of this month my Utah pursuit tag is no good. Only way I can hunt my hounds close to home after March is guiding a client with a bear tag in his pocket.Are you sure it's still that way if the governor signs this bill?
Appears to be some controversy over the measure:https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/utah-bill-unlimited-mountain-lion-hunting/
Quote from: elkboy on March 15, 2023, 08:09:42 AMAppears to be some controversy over the measure:https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/utah-bill-unlimited-mountain-lion-hunting/Lots of controversy, ranchers want it, lots of deer and elk hunters want it, hound hunters are mostly adamantly opposed, anti-hunters opposed, DWR probably doesn't like it, will be interesting to see if the governor signs it!
Quote from: bearpaw on March 15, 2023, 08:16:22 AMQuote from: elkboy on March 15, 2023, 08:09:42 AMAppears to be some controversy over the measure:https://www.fieldandstream.com/conservation/utah-bill-unlimited-mountain-lion-hunting/Lots of controversy, ranchers want it, lots of deer and elk hunters want it, hound hunters are mostly adamantly opposed, anti-hunters opposed, DWR probably doesn't like it, will be interesting to see if the governor signs it!Thanks for the insight, Bearpaw. What's your take? Doesn't your company guide for deer, elk, and cougar down there?I have no dog in the fight; I guess my reaction is that I have the same issue with this as with Prop 117 in CA back in the 90s, which did the opposite (make cougar a "specially protected species"). It's wildlife management via legislation, instead of letting the state wildlife agency do its job. They didn't even consult UDWR, from what the article was saying.
We need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccess
Quote from: KFhunter on March 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PMWe need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccessFirst off it could be done on the west side with cage traps. We never meet the insainly low harvest quoatas currently, and I could do a bunch of neighbors a favor by trapping them around homes where they should not be anyway. The quickest way to solve this problem is go around the state politics by raising funds to reimburse/pay tribal members to focus on cats. They could do it with hounds or traps.
Quote from: Special T on March 16, 2023, 03:57:29 PMQuote from: KFhunter on March 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PMWe need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccessFirst off it could be done on the west side with cage traps. We never meet the insainly low harvest quoatas currently, and I could do a bunch of neighbors a favor by trapping them around homes where they should not be anyway. The quickest way to solve this problem is go around the state politics by raising funds to reimburse/pay tribal members to focus on cats. They could do it with hounds or traps. In Washington, It seems like forming a group (something like the foundation for wildlife management )that would pay (reimbursement) the tribes to harvest predators is the perfect solution. Be an easy answer to bring back a little predator/ prey balance and the pro predator groups wouldn’t say a word for fear of appearing “ politicaly incorrect “ 😂. I’ve never hunted Utah but seems like the legislature making game management decisions is never good. Declaring war on lions also seems stupid. I think you can bring lion populations down pretty quick if you don’t regulate the harvest. Why wipe out all the cougars in Utah? It’s like 2 extremes of mismanagement. Washington won’t manage lions and Utah wants to kill them All. Weird
Quote from: Special T on March 16, 2023, 03:57:29 PMQuote from: KFhunter on March 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PMWe need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccessFirst off it could be done on the west side with cage traps. We never meet the insainly low harvest quoatas currently, and I could do a bunch of neighbors a favor by trapping them around homes where they should not be anyway. The quickest way to solve this problem is go around the state politics by raising funds to reimburse/pay tribal members to focus on cats. They could do it with hounds or traps.I have not made a secret of my wish for a trapping season for cougar. The Department has been opposed. Heck, the first few times I mentioned how it could be done they looked at me like I had spit on their shoe. Of course, now, there is no way you could get that by the Commission. Still, I don't think it hurts to talk about it and dream about a better future Commission. One of the big problems has always been nobody else is doing it. DFW doesn't want to be the first. Texas is the only place you can trap them. NM for a couple years but now I don't think so. Wyoming talked about it but no go. If a couple States would do it, it would be an easier sell.Same with bears, Maine is the only place you can trap bear. I would love to make a few bear sets.Problem I think with the tribes at least on the west side Is I think cultural. Very few trappers or hound hunters spring from families with no trappers or hound men. It's not traditional so tough to get the spark started.
Quote from: Humptulips on March 16, 2023, 11:25:59 PMQuote from: Special T on March 16, 2023, 03:57:29 PMQuote from: KFhunter on March 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PMWe need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccessFirst off it could be done on the west side with cage traps. We never meet the insainly low harvest quoatas currently, and I could do a bunch of neighbors a favor by trapping them around homes where they should not be anyway. The quickest way to solve this problem is go around the state politics by raising funds to reimburse/pay tribal members to focus on cats. They could do it with hounds or traps.I have not made a secret of my wish for a trapping season for cougar. The Department has been opposed. Heck, the first few times I mentioned how it could be done they looked at me like I had spit on their shoe. Of course, now, there is no way you could get that by the Commission. Still, I don't think it hurts to talk about it and dream about a better future Commission. One of the big problems has always been nobody else is doing it. DFW doesn't want to be the first. Texas is the only place you can trap them. NM for a couple years but now I don't think so. Wyoming talked about it but no go. If a couple States would do it, it would be an easier sell.Same with bears, Maine is the only place you can trap bear. I would love to make a few bear sets.Problem I think with the tribes at least on the west side Is I think cultural. Very few trappers or hound hunters spring from families with no trappers or hound men. It's not traditional so tough to get the spark started.As much as I would like you and me to be able to trap cats... The only way to break the backs of anti hunting groups are to promote this to tribes. I would forgo all cat harvest if it meant that Peta and that crowd had to fight the tribes... a fight they could not win!
Quote from: Special T on March 16, 2023, 11:31:27 PMQuote from: Humptulips on March 16, 2023, 11:25:59 PMQuote from: Special T on March 16, 2023, 03:57:29 PMQuote from: KFhunter on March 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PMWe need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccessFirst off it could be done on the west side with cage traps. We never meet the insainly low harvest quoatas currently, and I could do a bunch of neighbors a favor by trapping them around homes where they should not be anyway. The quickest way to solve this problem is go around the state politics by raising funds to reimburse/pay tribal members to focus on cats. They could do it with hounds or traps.I have not made a secret of my wish for a trapping season for cougar. The Department has been opposed. Heck, the first few times I mentioned how it could be done they looked at me like I had spit on their shoe. Of course, now, there is no way you could get that by the Commission. Still, I don't think it hurts to talk about it and dream about a better future Commission. One of the big problems has always been nobody else is doing it. DFW doesn't want to be the first. Texas is the only place you can trap them. NM for a couple years but now I don't think so. Wyoming talked about it but no go. If a couple States would do it, it would be an easier sell.Same with bears, Maine is the only place you can trap bear. I would love to make a few bear sets.Problem I think with the tribes at least on the west side Is I think cultural. Very few trappers or hound hunters spring from families with no trappers or hound men. It's not traditional so tough to get the spark started.As much as I would like you and me to be able to trap cats... The only way to break the backs of anti hunting groups are to promote this to tribes. I would forgo all cat harvest if it meant that Peta and that crowd had to fight the tribes... a fight they could not win!I don't disagree with that. I do think it will be tough to raise much interest from at least the west side tribes.
Quote from: idaho guy on March 16, 2023, 10:26:04 PMQuote from: Special T on March 16, 2023, 03:57:29 PMQuote from: KFhunter on March 16, 2023, 02:05:45 PMWe need this in WA at least until we see a rebound in herds, then reaccessFirst off it could be done on the west side with cage traps. We never meet the insainly low harvest quoatas currently, and I could do a bunch of neighbors a favor by trapping them around homes where they should not be anyway. The quickest way to solve this problem is go around the state politics by raising funds to reimburse/pay tribal members to focus on cats. They could do it with hounds or traps. In Washington, It seems like forming a group (something like the foundation for wildlife management )that would pay (reimbursement) the tribes to harvest predators is the perfect solution. Be an easy answer to bring back a little predator/ prey balance and the pro predator groups wouldn’t say a word for fear of appearing “ politicaly incorrect “ 😂. I’ve never hunted Utah but seems like the legislature making game management decisions is never good. Declaring war on lions also seems stupid. I think you can bring lion populations down pretty quick if you don’t regulate the harvest. Why wipe out all the cougars in Utah? It’s like 2 extremes of mismanagement. Washington won’t manage lions and Utah wants to kill them All. WeirdI think something along this line would break the back of anti hunters. They are scared of tribes in a big way, mostly because it would circumvent state politics and controls. The down side is that Sportsmen generally have a beef with some tribes. Sadly it is just a few tribal members that makes Sportsmen dislike Indians. I personally think Sportsmen have a hard choice ahead of us. Side with tribes, consumptive users that we philosophically agree with. The downside is we have to swallow some pride because some tribal members have the right... but make the whole tribe look bad... yet the reason why some of us hold disdain makes them a powerful alley. An alley DoW HSUS and others cannot beat. I personally think Sportsmen have to make a deal they generally are unlikely to make... to save our heritage and tribal at the same time. Probably a bitter pill for some to swallow especially fisherman. Considering the WDFW Comission we have we are likely to get screwed on hunting and fishing so what do we have to loose?
But aren’t cougar listed as a big game animal? Which would mean having to change their category listing
Just to add.Tribes are not bound by any state law.If they wanted to trap cougar ,they technically can.And could of done it already if they wish too.The Commission is not gonna do anything.Our governor wouldn't even raise quotas a few years ago.Let alone allow trapping.
Quote from: hunter399 on March 18, 2023, 07:23:57 AMJust to add.Tribes are not bound by any state law.If they wanted to trap cougar ,they technically can.And could of done it already if they wish too.The Commission is not gonna do anything.Our governor wouldn't even raise quotas a few years ago.Let alone allow trapping.a couple tribal guys that trap over in the northeast corner of Washington trap with snares and legholds for wolves and bobcats caught a pretty big cougar in a snare !!!they have a YouTube channel and showed it all
The tribes would destroy the antis ! This is a great idea
Quote from: bugs n bones on March 18, 2023, 07:02:05 AMThe tribes would destroy the antis ! This is a great ideaTribes don't have to destroy the antis.They already have the right to fish,hunt,trap anytime they want.