Paper tuning question

[Stein]

I had new strings put on my bow and finally got around to paper tuning it.  It took more effort than expected, ran out of room on the vertical adjuster for my rest so I moved my d-loop and finally got it shooting a near perfect tear close up and back to 5 yards.  I didn't want to leave the garage as it was raining.

I happened to notice that with a nocked arrow, if I hold the bow with the rear string vertical that the arrow is noticeably pointed down (nock high).  Not knowing much about bows, it would seem more normal for the arrow to be at or very near horizontal.

Is this normal?  Anything I might be doing wrong in the paper tune process?  I went back to the paper and even made sure I wasn't shooting at a down or up angle at the paper to see if that would change anything and it shot a perfect tear when shooting straight horizontally at the paper.

[andersonjk4]

Have you checked the cam timing after the new string was put on?  I had to slightly adjust the timing on my cams after replacing strings.  I am not an expert, but I think the arrow should be pretty close to nock level if the bow is in tune and the arrow spine is correct.

Any chance the fletching is hitting the rest or the sight housing? 

[Stein]

I'll have to look to see if there is fletching contact.  Riverside put the strings on, I think they are a very reputable shop and I don't have any practical way to check timing and honestly that's outside my wheelhouse.

[MR5x5]

Re-reading your post. I would suggest you have Riverside tune it for you. Unless of course you want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes....

[blackveltbowhunter]

Lots of variables with this one. Nock high is routine with alot of solo cams. Arrow spine is a big factor as is cam timing. If you can draw the bow comfortably it is not difficult to check draw stops with a partner standing to the side of bow if no access to a draw board and tell you if one or the other is advanced/retarded.

[Stein]

Re-reading your post. I would suggest you have Riverside tune it for you. Unless of course you want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes....

I don't   

I'm down enough rabbit holes and trying to keep archery as simple as possible.  I like to make my own arrows and have no desire for anything more involved than that.

I'll probably take it up to Riverside and chat with them, I have been looking at getting a new sight anyway.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

It shoots well out to the distance I want, so I should actually probably just leave it at that.

[ACCUBOND]

Not sure what rest you have but mine pops up a little bit more just before full draw. So it does point downward until that last few inches of draw. Pull the string that is attached to your rest as the bow string would at full draw to see.

[blackveltbowhunter]

Re-reading your post. I would suggest you have Riverside tune it for you. Unless of course you want to know how deep the rabbit hole goes....

I don't   

I'm down enough rabbit holes and trying to keep archery as simple as possible.  I like to make my own arrows and have no desire for anything more involved than that.

I'll probably take it up to Riverside and chat with them, I have been looking at getting a new sight anyway.

Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

It shoots well out to the distance I want, so I should actually probably just leave it at that.

    if its doing what you want, no need to change.

[Stein]

Not sure what rest you have but mine pops up a little bit more just before full draw. So it does point downward until that last few inches of draw. Pull the string that is attached to your rest as the bow string would at full draw to see.

Thanks, I read that somewhere else and tried and it doesn't move up at all when I get to full draw from what I can see.

[Stein]

OK, I decided to make the $35 investment into a DIY draw board.  Here are the pics of my cam at very near full draw.  Both pics are at the same point in the draw. 

Top pic is the bottom cam and pic got rotated.  In that pic it's nearly touching the cable to the left, maybe 1/64" away. 

Bottom pic shows gap between stop and cable.  I assume it's supposed to contact the cable below it?  The cable over that stop is the yoke cable coming from the cam and the stop can't touch it as it passes between the cable yokes.

I'm planning on taking it into Riverside in the morning.

If it is bad timing, is this normal for a bow with new strings as the strings break in?  They put new strings on before hunting season last year and I probably shot a hundred or two arrows I'm guessing.

[hughjorgan]

OK, I decided to make the $35 investment into a DIY draw board.  Here are the pics of my cam at very near full draw.  Both pics are at the same point in the draw. 

Top pic is the bottom cam and pic got rotated.  In that pic it's nearly touching the cable to the left, maybe 1/64" away. 

Bottom pic shows gap between stop and cable.  I assume it's supposed to contact the cable below it?  The cable over that stop is the yoke cable coming from the cam and the stop can't touch it as it passes between the cable yokes.

I'm planning on taking it into Riverside in the morning.

If it is bad timing, is this normal for a bow with new strings as the strings break in?  They put new strings on before hunting season last year and I probably shot a hundred or two arrows I'm guessing.

That’s way out of time. Normally you want to shoot 100 or so arrows and let the strings and cables settle, they may stretch a little but that doesn’t even look like they took the time to check your cam timing to me. Easy fix though.

[pianoman9701]

Not sure what rest you have but mine pops up a little bit more just before full draw. So it does point downward until that last few inches of draw. Pull the string that is attached to your rest as the bow string would at full draw to see.

I have a drop-away rest and the arrow points downward until I draw it back. 

[Stein]

Glad I checked it before I went back through the tuning process and beat myself into the ground.  I messed around with it this week and got bare shaft hitting right with fletched back to 20 yards, but then broadheads were 3" low no matter what I did.  I decided to do more research and start over from the beginning, didn't make it past step 1.

[OltHunter]

What kind of bow is this and how much nock high are you?

[Stein]

Hoyt Pro Defiant 34, 2017 I think.

I just measured and if I put the nock on the bottom knot of the d-loop it's level, so it probably looks worse than it is.  If I put the arrow below the d-loop it's a bit nock low.

We'll see if that changes when I get the timing fixed.