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If anyone has ever followed their deer population reports and compared them to reality then you'd know their bias.

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They have special math when it comes to wolves.  Run the actually numbers and then discount heavily to show minimal growth well below what basic math says.  Given their latest maps some wolf packs are even no more, guess they moved to other grounds with more game. 

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If anyone has ever followed their deer population reports and compared them to reality then you'd know their bias.


Problem is every wolf lover out there believes the Deer are in decline due to habitat loss, because that is what they have been told.
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I would guess WDF&Wolves write this load of crap for those who don't know chit about anything wolves, and then there's the pro-wolf idiots.

It's the same load with every "report", low count wolves and high count deer etc...

Who really takes anything they have to say seriously? WDF&Wolves is just another fake environmentalist group.


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The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?
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The deck is stacked against the wildlife sportsmen and women have brought back to abundance.

"The growth we're observing in the North Cascades continues to be encouraging and having a pack become established in the South Cascades is a big step toward recovery of wolves in Washington," said WDFW Director Kelly Susewind. "The goal has been for wolves to spread into all three recovery zones, and we are pleased to see their progress in recolonizing their former range."

Incidentally, Director, their former range is in Canada. These are far from the same wolves that were here before. You should know that.  :bash:
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The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?
   

This is the answer. Also recruit the nez peirce of idaho they are shooting a lot of elk in the blues. Why not compensate them to kill wolves and cats? I have no dog in this fight really but I would love to see it happen. It’s the ultimate punch back to anti hunting *censored*s. I think form a new foundation to compensate natives but operating exactly like the f4wm

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There is no way we should support a recovery plan. Because when the goal is reached the anti crowd will challenge any delisting. They change the rules to suit themselves.
Given the present state of things in this state we as sportsman have limited days left. At this point I see no reason to support the Dept at all. There may be good people left but they are in a head lock with no good moves in sight.

The relationship between the Dept and the hunting public has suffered irreparable harm, and I see no reason to pretend that it will change.
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Next up Grizzly bears
I hope the hikers enjoy them and take lots of nice up close pictures

Odd thing is those who supported the illegal wolf introduction don't have the same feelings for the grizzly bears, they flat out don't want the bears, at least the ones I have talked with.


There is no way we should support a recovery plan. Because when the goal is reached the anti crowd will challenge any delisting. They change the rules to suit themselves.
Given the present state of things in this state we as sportsman have limited days left.
At this point I see no reason to support the Dept at all. There may be good people left but they are in a head lock with no good moves in sight.

The relationship between the Dept and the hunting public has suffered irreparable harm, and I see no reason to pretend that it will change.


Hunt while you can, because by the time delisting does come around there won't be much left.

Remember Idaho, MT and Wyoming were eligible for delisting in 5-6 years, look at where we are and ask yourself how many wolves does WA really have? Remember the damage the wolves did to the Yellowstone and Lolo elk etc. in a short time.

WA has had uncontrolled wolves officially for 21 years, going from 2002 which is when WDFW claimed wolves first started their "migration".
Then throw in the protection of bears and cougars with no hound hunting etc.. Not a promising future for WA's hunting.

WDFW's management of predators is the largest poacher of your hunting opportunities, and don't expect it to get any better with time.


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It is scary to think that without poisoning States that have already hunted with high tag allocation, trapped, longer wolf seasons haven't been able to keep the population in control. To me it just seems that the WDFW news release is the organization bragging about the population growth.
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The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?
I’m not arguing, I’m just asking. How can the Colville tribe’s ability to legally kill wolves help the entire state? Outside of the Colville rez and the north half, do they have any legal hunting jurisdiction anywhere else in Washington state?


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The deck is stacked against sportsmen. I believe those in the department that want to help us are trapped by employees that LOVE carnivores and do everything in their power to protect them. I think the only solution resides outside of working with the state on this issue. I believe the only way out of this problem and to punch back at anti hunters is to start and support a Foundation for Wildlife Management chapter for the Colville Tribe. https://f4wm.org/  Are we willing to raise money to reimburse tribal trappers? To hold education classes? Find donations, bid on them, and attend banquets?

The wolf plan is broken and I don't believe that the legislature will fix this problem. Following through on this would wreck the possibility of fulfilling the wolf plan to restoration... But considering that Many of us do not believe the anti hunters are dealing in good faith, does it matter?
I’m not arguing, I’m just asking. How can the Colville tribe’s ability to legally kill wolves help the entire state? Outside of the Colville rez and the north half, do they have any legal hunting jurisdiction anywhere else in Washington state?


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 :yeah:

I have the same question, can the Tribes legally do this?
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Every year that goes by produces more trail cam photos of wolves in my area.  2018....one pair in the middle of winter.  2023.....Wolves in my driveway and in the area we were shed hunting just two hours earlier.   :bash: :bash:  It makes me sick and to have the state deny that facts is disgusting.   :bash: :bash:

 


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