The Commission is Criminal Mark Pidgeon, President Hunters Heritage Council

[WWC]

This is a letter that was written By Mark Pidgeon President of HHC.


Point blank, the proposed Commission draft policy C-700X is criminal. It is illegal, it overrides RCW 77.04.012, the legislative mandate, and makes consumptive use illegal. WAC cannot override RCW, yet this Commission is trying to do this. This has to be stopped at all costs. There has been very little publicity for this WAC change and for the first time in history the Commission meeting will be held in Seattle so that the animal-rights people can stack the Commission meeting. There has been no publicity for this Commission meeting. This draft change to the 25-year strategic plan was announced on the Internet on June 2, 2023, and it will be voted on June 19, 2023, just 17 days later. Having this voted on so soon is criminal.

This is from Conservation Policy C-700X:

Principles:

1) Conservation first — The WDFW’s top priority is the conservation of Washington's fish, shellfish, and wildlife for the benefit of all state residents, current and future. Successful conservation is the foundation to support the spectrum of values that Washington residents hold regarding providing sustainable recreational and commercial opportunities including, but not limited to, hunting, fishing, and wildlife appreciation.

z) Conservation of all species, habitat, and ecosystems — To preserve functioning, resilient, healthy ecosystems, the WDFW shall strive to conserve all fish, shellfish, and wildlife, whether rare or common, and their habitat. Doing so is essential to maintain species diversity.

3) Conservation partnerships — An ecosystem—based conservation strategy requires strong coordination and cooperation with local, state, federal, and tribal governments, non- governmental organizations, private landowners, academia, businesses, and engaged citizens. Collaboration with neighboring states and Canada also is important because fish and Wildlife distributions are not constrained by political boundaries.

4) Knowledge and science — WDFW actions and decisions shall be based on objective, science—based knowledge. Scientific efforts to inform the WDFW must be sufficiently broad and multi-disciplinary, combining all related scientific fields (e.g., biological, ecological, economic, and social). Adaptive management is a critical and required step to implement actions learned from monitoring the decisions and actions against the results. Adaptive management thus informs necessary changes to meet the desired outcomes.

Let’s translate this from Commission talk. Principle one will put an end to hunting and consumptive use, with the title “conservation or preservation” first. This Commission will push their goals of wildlife appreciation ahead of hunting. They showed this with spring bear. “Successful conservation is the foundation to support the spectrum of values that Washington residents hold” is a buzz word that that the Commission will say that most Washingtonians don’t hunt and fish and therefore don’t support it.

Principle two, “To preserve functioning, resilient, healthy ecosystems, the WDFW shall strive to conserve all fish, shellfish, and wildlife, whether rare or common, and their habitat. Doing so is essential to maintain species diversity.” WDFW will move to a department that preserves species, instead of one that serves hunters and fishers.

Principle three “Conservation partnerships — An ecosystem—based conservation strategy requires strong coordination and cooperation with local, state, federal, and tribal governments, non-governmental organizations, private landowners, academia, businesses, and engaged citizens. Collaboration with neighboring states and Canada also is important because fish and Wildlife distributions are not constrained by political boundaries.” Everybody but the hunting and fishing community.

Principle four “WDFW actions and decisions shall be based on objective, science—based knowledge. Scientific efforts to inform the WDFW must be sufficiently broad and multi-disciplinary, combining all related scientific fields.” This is to make sure we include animal-rights science.

This is Principle Seven

7) Aligning mandate, strategy, staff, and budget — To achieve the mandate expressed in RCW 77.04.012, the WDFW must develop the necessary strategies, enlist the necessary staff, and secure the necessary resources. To that end, the WDFW must strengthen its communications to the public, State Legislature, and Governor regarding the need for expanded partnerships, additional authorities, and funding.

If there is any doubt that the Commission is trying to override the legislative mandate, this should eliminate all doubt. Principle seven says “To achieve the mandate expressed in RCW 77.04.012, To that end, the WDFW must strengthen its communications to the public, State Legislature, and Governor regarding the need for expanded partnerships, additional authorities, and funding.” Plain as daylight, ADDITIONAL AUTHORITITIES to bring back the legislative mandate. This is just plain criminal.

This must be stopped at all costs. We can testify before the Commission until we’re blue in the face, and it won’t do a bit of good. The Democrats in legislature won’t lift a hand to help. The only way to stop this is by suing the Commission, and this is going to happen. We have to destroy this policy.

[dreamingbig]

wow

Back to the top.  Stop worrying about the draw happening and start praying for the future of hunting in our state.

Btw, how is social scientific?


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[Mtnwalker]

wow

Back to the top.  Stop worrying about the draw happening and start praying for the future of hunting in our state.

Btw, how is social scientific?


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  obviously our comments and input fall on deaf ears. There should be a thousand hunters outside this meeting protesting with signs. Where is it being held? I don't even see it on the meeting schedule

[saylean]

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2023/22-23jun2023-agenda



Residence Inn by Marriott Seattle Downtown/Lake Union
800 Fairview Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109
Port Townsend Meeting Room

[dreamingbig]

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[fishngamereaper]

The commission's goal is to "scientifically" end fishing and hunting in this State..the writing has been in the wall.. that's why they've all been hand selected...

You could pack the house in protest with sportsman and pro hunting/ fishing people and they'll just cancel the meeting claiming right wing extremism.....

And no I'm not giving up or being a downer...it's reality...

[Rainier10]

Good grief.

[HillHound]

This is ridiculous. I wish there was a way to personally sue these commission members and completely financially ruin them. Put them out of their house out of their fancy electric cars homeless on the street. We need to find a legal way to completely destroy these crazy people even if it is each one individually. We need to find someway somehow that they are breaking laws that we could actually get a lawyer to take the case. They are personally attacking us on all levels. I don’t see why we shouldn’t be doing everything we legally can do against them personally also. If the juice is not worth the squeeze they will eventually give up. I doubt they’re gonna give up their fancy cushy lifestyles to save the animals when it comes down to it

[Special T]

This is ridiculous. I wish there was a way to personally sue these commission members and completely financially ruin them. Put them out of their house out of their fancy electric cars homeless on the street. We need to find a legal way to completely destroy these crazy people even if it is each one individually. We need to find someway somehow that they are breaking laws that we could actually get a lawyer to take the case. They are personally attacking us on all levels. I don’t see why we shouldn’t be doing everything we legally can do against them personally also. If the juice is not worth the squeeze they will eventually give up. I doubt they’re gonna give up their fancy cushy lifestyles to save the animals when it comes down to it

The Sportsmens Alliance lawsuit against Lorna Smith has shown they will use government reduces to protect thier own. They sued her personally but the state allocated state lawyers to defend her.  You would have to dig up some other kind of dirt because I'm sure the system will protect itself.

[Special T]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

[Jake Dogfish]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy. 

[Special T]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

 

Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?

Super short cliff notes. They are setting the stage to greatly reduce hunting. The methods effecting change is illegal in several ways.

[Platensek-po]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

Good. This is possibly the best tool against the Libs. Uber racist and illegal to tell the tribes you don’t want their input and you won’t manage for consumption.

[pickardjw]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

 

Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?

Maybe he means, "they're already doing this, what's the change other than putting it in writing" 

[Jake Dogfish]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

 

Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?

Yes and I have heard them talk about it at the commission meetings and wildlife committee meetings ad nauseam.

[Special T]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

 

Uh changing the definition of conservation in legalise to Preservation... Non consumptive use.. not a big change? Did you read the OP?

Maybe he means, "they're already doing this, what's the change other than putting it in writing" 

Gotcha.  This is the attempt to codify it into law.  Remember when they held the spring bear vote? It was illegal because of lack of notice.  They drug it out over time and said we have talked about it enough. The issue is settled we are moving on.  This is the same chess game move they are trying to repeat.  Break the law. Use time and normalcy bias to establish precedent, rinse wash replete until they have muddied the water too much to decided. Adittionally it works even better if they have some turnover on the comission because then they can blame the previous comissioners.

[Mtnwalker]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

Probably one of the only groups who might actually have some pull with the current administration.

[blackdog]

Parker, Anderson and Linville are solid. Our hope is to reach Myers and Lemkuhl and stop this from being adopted.

[Special T]

Parker, Anderson and Linville are solid. Our hope is to reach Myers and Lemkuhl and stop this from being adopted.

Should be interesting because the agenda just says discussion not vote. Will the cram this down our throat like black bear?

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2023/22-23jun2023-agenda

[andrew_in_idaho]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

Good. This is possibly the best tool against the Libs. Uber racist and illegal to tell the tribes you don’t want their input and you won’t manage for consumption.

They will let the tribes hunt, obviously if they do it’s just traditional use but white people haven’t been hunting for hundreds of years like the tribes have(sarcasm)


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[Special T]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

Good. This is possibly the best tool against the Libs. Uber racist and illegal to tell the tribes you don’t want their input and you won’t manage for consumption.

They will let the tribes hunt, obviously if they do it’s just traditional use but white people haven’t been hunting for hundreds of years like the tribes have(sarcasm)


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Well they couldn't stop the Tribes, unless they get the game animals down so low that they have an emergency closure, and even then it would be a fight. 

I think many tribes understand that a shrinking pool of game is bad for everyone, including themselves. You may not like what some of them do, but they just took a stand on the side of ALLsportmen, hunters and fishermen.

[Jake Dogfish]

Tribes are sovereign nations and the wdfw does what they say.
They are against this because they do not like anything that is bad P.R.

[Platensek-po]

Tribes are sovereign nations and the wdfw does what they say.
They are against this because they do not like anything that is bad P.R.

The tribes manage for consumptive use. If wdfw is not going to manage for consumptive use then the tribes will have a problem with that. Look at the makahs and then whaling. Even tho those Whales are dying of starvation they won’t let them hunt. They are worried that the commission is going to do that for all wildlife they consume. Cause it’s the same groups pushing both agendas

[high_hunter]

We certainly need a strong on-line and if possible in person presence.  I know they move meeting locations around but is interesting that this particular one is located in the heart of liberal city.

"Public comment on the draft is open through June 30 here and there will also be a chance to provide input during the commission’s June 22-24 meeting in Seattle."

Address:
Residence Inn by Marriott Seattle Downtown/Lake Union
800 Fairview Ave N, Seattle, WA 98109
Port Townsend Meeting Room

-HH

[hunter399]

Tribes are sovereign nations and the wdfw does what they say.
They are against this because they do not like anything that is bad P.R.

The tribes manage for consumptive use. If wdfw is not going to manage for consumptive use then the tribes will have a problem with that. Look at the makahs and then whaling. Even tho those Whales are dying of starvation they won’t let them hunt. They are worried that the commission is going to do that for all wildlife they consume. Cause it’s the same groups pushing both agendas

That makes sense to me.
Bad for us.
Bad for them in the future.
Basically natives don't want a food card and being told to never hunt again.

[idahohuntr]

Glad to see NWIFC oppose this non-sense.  Tribes are the most politcally powerful ally sportsman in this state have...the tribal hositility of this commission needs to be pointed out every single day. 

Interestingly...the commission agenda also seems to have an agenda item regarding Colorado's request to transplant wolves per their ballot initiative. Wyoming told them to pound sand...but guessing WA will trip over themselves to help out. 

[highcountry_hunter]

Interestingly...the commission agenda also seems to have an agenda item regarding Colorado's request to transplant wolves per their ballot initiative. Wyoming told them to pound sand...but guessing WA will trip over themselves to help out. 

Of course. If they ship off 50 wolves to Colorado then they can lie through their teeth and say we’ve only got 100 wolves in our state. The moving goalpost of complete wolf rehabilitation would just keep getting further and further away.


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[Special T]

It appears that the folks at Washington Wildlife First art prepping to make a show of force at the Seattle commissioner meeting. They have events in the week to lead up to the main event to stack the deck. It isnt on the agenda to call for a vote, but do you think that would stop them?

https://5609432.app.box.com/s/wo5u4ofvz1v7js76aqt3a9xlxdk7mm44

[huntnphool]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

  How did I know that if I kept scrolling, eventually I would find one of the huntwa libs supporting it, or questioning why sportsman would be against it?

  I’m quite sure the rest of the left peanut gallery will chime in soon as well!

[high_hunter]

It appears that the folks at Washington Wildlife First art prepping to make a show of force at the Seattle commissioner meeting. They have events in the week to lead up to the main event to stack the deck. It isnt on the agenda to call for a vote, but do you think that would stop them?

https://5609432.app.box.com/s/wo5u4ofvz1v7js76aqt3a9xlxdk7mm44

Thanks for passing on that info.  Yup about what I figured they'd be trying to do.  Shouldn't be any way to call for a vote but who knows. 

As I stated above, we need to be as well represented as possible in person and remotely.

[harveymarv]

Parker, Anderson and Linville are solid. Our hope is to reach Myers and Lemkuhl and stop this from being adopted.

Lemkuhl imho is a lost cause voting en bloc with the antis, in league with Washington Wildlife First. he’s garbage.

[KNOPHISH]

Just wrote a nasty gram to commission about this rotten policy and wondering if it has any affect on my draw status?  I guess they already have my name on a list from previous letters.

[blackdog]

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2023/22-23jun2023-agenda

Hopefully this meeting is well attended.

[dwils233]

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/commission/meetings/2023/22-23jun2023-agenda

Hopefully this meeting is well attended.

Washington Wildlife First is going to pack that meeting with their base

[IFunk]

I could whine, but instead I'll be taking the day off to go to the meeting.  Is anyone else going?

We could wildly speculate about the army of WWF who will show up or go find out for ourselves. 

I just looked up their upcoming events page and 0 people have RSVP's for upcoming events.  Maybe their support isn't as strong as some folks are making it out to be...

https://wawildlifefirst.org/events/

[pianoman9701]

I could whine, but instead I'll be taking the day off to go to the meeting.  Is anyone else going?

We could wildly speculate about the army of WWF who will show up or go find out for ourselves. 

I just looked up their upcoming events page and 0 people have RSVP's for upcoming events.  Maybe their support isn't as strong as some folks are making it out to be...

https://wawildlifefirst.org/events/

I'll try to go on Friday. Long drive but worth it.

[Jake Dogfish]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

  How did I know that if I kept scrolling, eventually I would find one of the huntwa libs supporting it, or questioning why sportsman would be against it?

  I’m quite sure the rest of the left peanut gallery will chime in soon as well!

I’m not sure why you are calling me a “lib”, or bringing your political disputes with other posters into this? 

Let me explain it to you.  While people are busy fighting this, we will be losing hunting and fishing opportunities somewhere else.  It’s called sleight of hand.  When this passes people will be tired of fighting a losing battle and that’s when the antis pounce.  The coffers will be empty to fight because people are pretending they are suing the Governor and fighting feel good pointless legislation.  I know that’s probably over your head, or you don’t care because you are a closet dem.

[huntnphool]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/nwifc-chair-weighs-in-on-wa-fwcs-draft-conservation-policy/


Tribes are against this policy change as well

I guess I am missing the big changes in this policy.

  How did I know that if I kept scrolling, eventually I would find one of the huntwa libs supporting it, or questioning why sportsman would be against it?

  I’m quite sure the rest of the left peanut gallery will chime in soon as well!

I’m not sure why you are calling me a “lib”, or bringing your political disputes with other posters into this? 

Let me explain it to you.  While people are busy fighting this, we will be losing hunting and fishing opportunities somewhere else.  It’s called sleight of hand.  When this passes people will be tired of fighting a losing battle and that’s when the antis pounce.  The coffers will be empty to fight because people are pretending they are suing the Governor and fighting feel good pointless legislation.  I know that’s probably over your head, or you don’t care because you are a closet dem.

 I’m not the hypocrite supporting the libs in this state!

[baker5150]

https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw-dcpcomment?utm_campaign=wdfw_conservation_draft&utm_medium=email&utm_source=howlforwildlife

If you can't be there, at least send an email.  Only takes a few seconds.

[Mtnwalker]

https://www.howlforwildlife.org/wdfw-dcpcomment?utm_campaign=wdfw_conservation_draft&utm_medium=email&utm_source=howlforwildlife

If you can't be there, at least send an email.  Only takes a few seconds.

I'm attempting to get the time off right now.. frustrating that the anti's manage to have a heavy presence at these meetings but hunters can't even organize a decent turnout when it's our heritage and way of life going down the crapper

[high_hunter]

Sent in my Howl & Commission emails along with the draft policy comments.  Encourage others to do the same.

Certainly need to stop the infighting and I'll be first to apologies making a "left" or "liberal" slighted comment on an earlier post in this thread.  This shouldn't be about political parties but hunters and those that support hunting and its existing management model vs. those that do not (anti's).

Nice to hear that WWF does not have great attendance planned yet but wouldn't be surprised if they do turn out.  We certainly should show up in high numbers either way.  I have that Friday off but will try to get Thursday as well and be in attendance.

Was great to read the NWSportsmanmag article but saddened to hear Thornburg is not longer serving, didn't realize she'd been ousted back in March.  I'd heard of some new appointments but didn't realize she was replaced; was an unsuspecting voice and great asset for us sportsman. 
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/thorburn-others-comment-on-wdfw-comm-draft-conservation-policy/?mc_cid=8180f11390&mc_eid=d3d4ccef67

-HH

 

[AKBowman]

I sent a couple of HOWLS in this AM as well.

We need to support those that are trying to take legal actions against these hypocritical ideologies. There’s 8 billion people on this planet. Consumptive conservation AKA North American Model of Wildlife Conservation is THE only way this will work moving forward.

They should be embracing the North American Model not renouncing it. The rest of the modern world is envious of the model yet these anti’s on the Wildlife Commission want to abolish it out of lack of education and political stances.

[Humptulips]

Sent in my Howl & Commission emails along with the draft policy comments.  Encourage others to do the same.

Certainly need to stop the infighting and I'll be first to apologies making a "left" or "liberal" slighted comment on an earlier post in this thread.  This shouldn't be about political parties but hunters and those that support hunting and its existing management model vs. those that do not (anti's).

Nice to hear that WWF does not have great attendance planned yet but wouldn't be surprised if they do turn out.  We certainly should show up in high numbers either way.  I have that Friday off but will try to get Thursday as well and be in attendance.

Was great to read the NWSportsmanmag article but saddened to hear Thornburg is not longer serving, didn't realize she'd been ousted back in March.  I'd heard of some new appointments but didn't realize she was replaced; was an unsuspecting voice and great asset for us sportsman. 
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/thorburn-others-comment-on-wdfw-comm-draft-conservation-policy/?mc_cid=8180f11390&mc_eid=d3d4ccef67

-HH

If you can't make it Thursday, you can still sign in for public testimony during the open comment period on Friday or any day for that matter. I think it would carry a lot of weight if they were still hearing from hunters every day of the Meeting.

[hunter399]

I sent a letter email to the commission that I do not support the new conservation policy change.👍

[GASoline71]

Was great to read the NWSportsmanmag article but saddened to hear Thornburg is not longer serving, didn't realize she'd been ousted back in March.  I'd heard of some new appointments but didn't realize she was replaced; was an unsuspecting voice and great asset for us sportsman. 
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/thorburn-others-comment-on-wdfw-comm-draft-conservation-policy/?mc_cid=8180f11390&mc_eid=d3d4ccef67

-HH

Kim is on the list of speakers during the public comment period for the draft policy.  She has been very vocal about her opposition of the new policy being brought forth by the antis on the commission.  Hopefully her comments during the meeting will carry some weight to it.

Gary