Lorna smith

[time2hunt]

I hear she may be going out the door


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[Special T]

I hear she may be going out the door


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Care to elaborate?

[time2hunt]

Judge ruled in our favor and Lorna Smith was breaking the law by holding both positions. She didn’t rule on what to do. Lawyers meeting next week to discuss options. She’ll likely just quit the other board.


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[time2hunt]

That’s all I’ve received so far


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[sage rat]

thanks for the update

[Special T]

Judge ruled in our favor and Lorna Smith was breaking the law by holding both positions. She didn’t rule on what to do. Lawyers meeting next week to discuss options. She’ll likely just quit the other board.


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Unfortunately that is how I figured it would work out.

[Timberstalker]

Quit the other board or quit WDFW commission?
@time2hunt

[Mtnwalker]

Should be removed from both if she was knowingly violating the law

[time2hunt]

I have no other details sorry


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[lewy]

I hate that women

[Farmer72]

All of her votes during the time she held both should be null and void since it was an illegally held position.

[MtnMuley]

I was hoping this thread was going to be about her going sky diving without a parachute

[Platensek-po]

 

All of her votes during the time she held both should be null and void since it was an illegally held position.

[fishngamereaper]

So wouldn't this make the guy that appointed her also in violation...

[dreadi]

This is great news.


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[Gringo31]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/org-judge-rules-smith-wa-fwc-appointment-violates-state-law/

[pickardjw]

“We’re very pleased with today’s decision that affirms Ms. Smith has been violating state law for more than two years while crafting policy that undermines scientific wildlife management and damages the state’s traditions of hunting and fishing,” said Todd Adkins, the organization’s vice president of government affairs. “It’s reassuring to see that law still matters in Washington state, something the Fish and Wildlife Commission would do well to remember in the future.”

Fantastic statement

[Rainier10]

I loved this comment from Andy the author

“Smith did not immediately respond to a request for comment, but when she does, I’ll fold it in.”

[blackdog]

Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.

[saylean]

Made my day.

[Whitpirate]

Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure.  Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.

[ASHQUACK]

Hopefully they can sue her and her husband for every single penny they have.

[hughjorgan]

Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.

How so? Linville serves on a school board which is not county, state or municipal, therefore it doesn’t effect her.

[Twispriver]

RCW 28A.315.005
Governance structure.
(1) Under the constitutional framework and the laws of the state of Washington, the governance structure for the state's public common school system is comprised of the following bodies: The legislature, the governor, the superintendent of public instruction, the state board of education, the educational service district boards of directors, and local school district boards of directors. The respective policy and administrative roles of each body are determined by the state Constitution and statutes.
(2) Local school districts are political subdivisions of the state and the organization of such districts, including the powers, duties, and boundaries thereof, may be altered or abolished by laws of the state of Washington.
[ 2016 c 241 § 132. Prior: 2013 c 2 § 302 (Initiative Measure No. 1240, approved November 6, 2012); 1999 c 315 § 1.]
NOTES:
Effective date—2016 c 241: See RCW 28A.710.901.

[huntnphool]

RCW 28A.315.005
Governance structure.
(1) Under the constitutional framework and the laws of the state of Washington, the governance structure for the state's public common school system is comprised of the following bodies: The legislature, the governor, the superintendent of public instruction, the state board of education, the educational service district boards of directors, and local school district boards of directors. The respective policy and administrative roles of each body are determined by the state Constitution and statutes.
(2) Local school districts are political subdivisions of the state and the organization of such districts, including the powers, duties, and boundaries thereof, may be altered or abolished by laws of the state of Washington.
[ 2016 c 241 § 132. Prior: 2013 c 2 § 302 (Initiative Measure No. 1240, approved November 6, 2012); 1999 c 315 § 1.]
NOTES:
Effective date—2016 c 241: See RCW 28A.710.901.

 Thanks TR

[bigtex]

Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure.  Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.

All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.

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[Whitpirate]

Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure.  Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.

All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.

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Brick by brick.  Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?

[bigtex]

Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure.  Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.

All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.

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Brick by brick.  Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?

I just live in reality. Even if Smith is booted, all Inslee will do is reappoint someone exactly like her. If she stays on, nothing changes. If she stays on and her previous votes are void, the commission can re-vote and we'll likely have a similar outcome.

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[Special T]

Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.

This is the likely unintended consequence of this lawsuit.

[HillHound]

I was hoping this thread was going to be about her going sky diving without a parachute

And may be a couple of her friends to

[blackdog]

Understand the Commission may lose Molly Linville and Lorna Smith may cure her violation as a result of this decision.

How so? Linville serves on a school board which is not county, state or municipal, therefore it doesn’t effect her.

I hope you are correct, Linville would be a huge loss.

[ducks4days]

Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure.  Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.

All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.

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Brick by brick.  Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?

I just live in reality. Even if Smith is booted, all Inslee will do is reappoint someone exactly like her. If she stays on, nothing changes. If she stays on and her previous votes are void, the commission can re-vote and we'll likely have a similar outcome.

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The antis were fighting the same battle of a commission that wouldn’t listen to them, until they suddenly weren’t. EVERY win is a win. They snuck in the cancellation of spring bear on a technicality when it wasn’t supposed to be up for a vote, and rode the inertia to keep it cancelled. IF they need to do it all over again there is a better chance it won’t work than if we wait decades to get a balanced commission that votes with the recommendation of biologists.

[bigtex]

Well, we should be following the anti-playbook now and sue the Governor's office, and Lorna for willful violation and to censure all decisions and votes of her tenure.  Reversal of spring bear would be good start as her illegal held position as proven to damage sportsman opportunity and access in direct violation of state Constitution.

All the commission would do is a re-vote with the same outcome.

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Brick by brick.  Money starts to hurt opportunities for their unfettered advancement or are you just the "we should all quit" BigTex?

I just live in reality. Even if Smith is booted, all Inslee will do is reappoint someone exactly like her. If she stays on, nothing changes. If she stays on and her previous votes are void, the commission can re-vote and we'll likely have a similar outcome.

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The antis were fighting the same battle of a commission that wouldn’t listen to them, until they suddenly weren’t. EVERY win is a win. They snuck in the cancellation of spring bear on a technicality when it wasn’t supposed to be up for a vote, and rode the inertia to keep it cancelled. IF they need to do it all over again there is a better chance it won’t work than if we wait decades to get a balanced commission that votes with the recommendation of biologists.

Sorry but they didn't "sneak in the cancelation of spring bear on a technicality". They had to vote to approve the season (like they do with all seasons) and the vote failed, thus no season.

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[Skyvalhunter]

On a technicality? Try more like Smith and Rowlands personal agenda

[Special T]

This "win" doesn't seem like the big gain it should be. Smith stays on the comission and Linville leaves what does that gain us? I wonder why Sportsmen Alliance didn't join the WWC suit?

[fishngamereaper]

She shouldn't get to "decide" to stay.
Her appointment was illegal and she should be immediately removed. Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...
And...
Force Jay to decide if he wants to re appoint her with the pending suit's for his other willful violations. And risk loosing her again....

[Karl Blanchard]

She shouldn't get to "decide" to stay.
Her appointment was illegal and she should be immediately removed. Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...
And...
Force Jay to decide if he wants to re appoint her with the pending suit's for his other willful violations. And risk loosing her again....

this....

[bigtex]

Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...

By voiding all votes during her time it would essentially close all hunting and fishing seasons until they re-approve them...

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[Skyvalhunter]

I believe thats a stretch to say close all seasons. If that happened they would have a special commission meeting to reapprove

[fishngamereaper]

Any actions the commission took during her illegal participation should be null and void... force them to re do everything regardless of outcome...

By voiding all votes during her time it would essentially close all hunting and fishing seasons until they re-approve them...

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Fine by me...small sacrifice.
It's about time Jays crooked politics get a little more exposure...he knew what he was doing was illegal and did it anyway...like always.

[KFhunter]

I think a lot of people might hunt without a tag for the first time in their lives

[pianoman9701]

So wouldn't this make the guy that appointed her also in violation...

W4WC.org specifically named him in the suit that's been filed, as well as the 5 activists on the board for violating our RCWs.

[GASoline71]

So wouldn't this make the guy that appointed her also in violation...

W4WC.org specifically named him in the suit that's been filed, as well as the 5 activists on the board for violating our RCWs.

Any updates on what is happening with that lawsuit John?

Gary

[pianoman9701]

I haven't heard anything, but it's only been a few weeks since the suit dropped. I'm quite sure they're in the process of filing dozens of motions, requests for summary judgements, etc. That can take months. That's why this is such an expensive proposition. It's not the actual court time. @Special T

[Special T]

The posts state that the first court hearing is October 13th. I would imagine they are in the process of discovery. Meaning they have/are subpeonaing records communications and such. In addition to doing research.

This process is painfully slow for us all,  also as much as we might like to know all the juicy details it would be really bad tactics to show your hand before court.