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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2023, 02:24:20 PM »
Thats not unexpected....At least he put it on the table and showed everyone what his thoughts are.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2023, 02:28:29 PM »
He says the quiet part out loud. The preservationists know they cannot overcome the legal mandate.

"After serving as a Washington wildlife commissioner, I believe that an updated legislated mandate is necessary. It should recognize that protecting the state’s full animal diversity, health, and wellbeing are DFW’s and the Commission’s paramount purpose. A clear focus on conservation of all species rather than maximizing the killing of animals for food or pleasure is essential to meet the State’s public wildlife trust responsibility." Fred Koontz
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2023, 03:33:57 PM »
There's just no getting rid of this guy. Maybe we could convince him to go tenting and communing with the grizzlies in AK.
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2023, 03:45:09 PM »
The preservationists fail to mention

1) habitat loss due to population growth which forever changes the land by land and infrastructure development
2) Agrarian monoculture farming which is required to feed humans
3) Pesticide use which is required to feed humans or protect consumptive crops (timber etc)
4) Invasive species (plants, insects and animals which have forever crowded out native species)
5) Roads, Dams, bridges, and any other manmade changes to the landscape which provide obstacles forever changing those habitats
6) Transportation (cars, busses, boats, ferries, trains, and airplanes) which kill birds, mammals, insects

If a preservationist really wants to roll up the shirtsleeves they may want to really look at the big picture.  Not just under the lens of eliminating highly regulated hunting and disguising anti-hunting.  This is spitting in the ocean and hoping we can fix what has already been changed. Hypocrites and myopic Pollyannas...

(mind you I am not against any of the stuff above... we humans are an introduced species to this landscape.  It is childish to think we can exist without having an impact wherever we go.)   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2023, 04:05:48 PM »
Elections matter.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2023, 04:07:40 PM »
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.

With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2023, 04:57:53 PM »
Are the commissioners required to use the data and the information that is provided by the people who work for fish and game and not use their personal feelings as per regulations and bylaws set forth by government?   If they are not doing so then every time they do not use the information and data then a SLAP law suit should be filed against them.  Do this and win and collect after awhile someone will get tired of paying for these payouts and get rid of these losers. Hit them where it hurts, the pocket book! Yes it will cost to do this but it is costing us already with what they are doing..

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2023, 05:02:27 PM »
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.

With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.
They have made it abundantly clear that it does not matter where the money is coming from.  Only that it "feels" like we need to go a different direction and exclude from the decision making the minority of folks this greatly impacts in favor of a nebulous and ill defined end game utopia which only exists in a Disney cartoon.
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2023, 05:19:55 PM »
Given that mindset......an extended boycott of revenue generating purchases is the only thing that will possibly work. Not that the outdoor community has that level of discipline to implement a plan. And EVERY hunter should just use the guns/ammo that he already possesses and go hunt (stick to the established seasons/rules) without bothering to buy a license/tags. Treat yourself to a free Quality Tag.......whatever. They play by no or nonsense rules....so should we.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2023, 05:29:27 PM »
Koontz, like all of you, is just a private citizen who is involved. Imagine if all of us, became as involved.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2023, 06:05:32 PM »
August 10-12 Olympia NRB lawn campout. All tribal/nontribal hunters and fishers “Unity for our Heritage Rally” will hunters show up for political action?

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2023, 08:59:18 PM »
The preservationists fail to mention

1) habitat loss due to population growth which forever changes the land by land and infrastructure development
2) Agrarian monoculture farming which is required to feed humans
3) Pesticide use which is required to feed humans or protect consumptive crops (timber etc)
4) Invasive species (plants, insects and animals which have forever crowded out native species)
5) Roads, Dams, bridges, and any other manmade changes to the landscape which provide obstacles forever changing those habitats
6) Transportation (cars, busses, boats, ferries, trains, and airplanes) which kill birds, mammals, insects

If a preservationist really wants to roll up the shirtsleeves they may want to really look at the big picture.  Not just under the lens of eliminating highly regulated hunting and disguising anti-hunting.  This is spitting in the ocean and hoping we can fix what has already been changed. Hypocrites and myopic Pollyannas...

(mind you I am not against any of the stuff above... we humans are an introduced species to this landscape.  It is childish to think we can exist without having an impact wherever we go.)   >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Very well said!  :tup:
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2023, 09:13:46 PM »
So I have to ask.

What’s the point of doing anything for DFW ?
Why fill out reports?
Why give them  grouse wings?
Why volunteer for them?

If they are going to do all they can to end hunting.

I taught Hunter Ed for 28 years. Was a Master Hunter for 5-6. But I am ready to shut them out. Harvest as much as I can and give them no info. The Commission just ignores the bios.

So really what’s the point. :dunno:
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2023, 09:31:11 PM »
So I have to ask.

What’s the point of doing anything for DFW ?
Why fill out reports?
Why give them  grouse wings?
Why volunteer for them?

If they are going to do all they can to end hunting.

I taught Hunter Ed for 28 years. Was a Master Hunter for 5-6. But I am ready to shut them out. Harvest as much as I can and give them no info. The Commission just ignores the bios.

So really what’s the point. :dunno:

Because the WDFW and the Commision are 2 different things.... I don't believe most at the WDFW believe what the Commision is doing, they just can't say it.
 I think that's part of the problem, people can't separate the two.  I do see a future, and probably not to far away, that biologists become biologists to push an anti-agenda.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2023, 09:33:28 PM »
Ghost Hunter, that is exactly how the anti hunters hope you respond.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2023, 10:15:23 PM »
Ghost Hunter, that is exactly how the anti hunters hope you respond.

You think anything is going to change. I don’t, what’s the point?

I don’t think they care one bit what we do. They have a agenda and it’s full steam foreword for them.
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2023, 12:07:11 AM »
How much time in your year do you devote to political action?

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2023, 12:29:09 AM »
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.

With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.

 I regularly go out and photograph during hunting seasons and during the rut when things are closed down. I’ve NOT ONCE run into anyone else doing the same…and I know guys like Doug (boneaddict) and Shawn (popeshawnpaul) do as well.

 So how is it that these activists claim to be using “photoraghy” as a part of their “argument”? :dunno:
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2023, 07:23:03 AM »
How much time in your year do you devote to political action?

I have joined any organization that popped up and sent in money. I spread the word every chance I get.

If you mean go to Olympia never.At 72 I am not driving 4-5 hours to stand around with a sign. Which does no good.
You get something like a 1000 Person March I will be there.
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2023, 08:00:38 AM »
Doesn't the sale of hunting/fishing licenses and tax on guns and ammo pretty much pay for "wildlife management"? Wildlife doesn't just exist for hunters and fishermen.......also there for people who wish to view and photograph....buuuuuut, the hunters and fishermen pretty much are the ones paying for it. Maybe a one year boycott on buying products that contribute to wildlife programs......licenses, guns, ammo.......would get their attention.

With respect to balancing nature via the presence of predators........you don't need to introduce or reintroduce them, they are already there upon the landscape.......they are called hunters......and they actually help pay for the programs that benefit wildlife. I dunno.....another unsolvable problem.

 I regularly go out and photograph during hunting seasons and during the rut when things are closed down. I’ve NOT ONCE run into anyone else doing the same…and I know guys like Doug (boneaddict) and Shawn (popeshawnpaul) do as well.

 So how is it that these activists claim to be using “photoraghy” as a part of their “argument”? :dunno:

Are you posing that question to me? I'm not advocating for people who may wish "to view and photograph"........but have heard the concept that F&G agencies consider wildlife as a shared resource.......shared by hunters in the various seasons and by people who might wish to view and photograph them. Kind of like  what people do in Yellowstone, without the hunting. I, of course, think the top priority should go to hunting since that is what finances the resource.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2023, 08:07:30 AM »
"Photography" is their "go to" inclusion which is hard for us to dispute with any kind of evidence.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2023, 08:22:22 AM »
How much time in your year do you devote to political action?

I have joined any organization that popped up and sent in money. I spread the word every chance I get.

If you mean go to Olympia never.At 72 I am not driving 4-5 hours to stand around with a sign. Which does no good.
You get something like a 1000 Person March I will be there.

Sportsmen are pretty independent folks.  This is the precipice of the cliff. If they change the mandate we will go the way of California.
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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2023, 08:51:19 AM »
How many members here know who their legislators are and have those legislators contact information available and regularly contact legislators about issues?

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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2023, 10:18:41 AM »
Yes and the bordering legislators to my district.
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #25 on: July 13, 2023, 11:00:32 AM »
Contacting/corresponding with democratic legislators is a huge waste of time.  Not voting for them and encouraging others to not vote for them is the only way to MAYBE get results.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #26 on: July 13, 2023, 11:08:16 AM »
Contacting/corresponding with democratic legislators is a huge waste of time.  Not voting for them and encouraging others to not vote for them is the only way to MAYBE get results.

I this this depends, Lekenoff in the 40th has plenty of things to disagree with her about but hunting isn't once of them, she also sits on the House Nat Resources Committee.
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« Reply #27 on: July 13, 2023, 11:16:44 AM »
I left a LENGTHY response on the website he posted it on. It made me download an app and make an account but it's worth it.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #28 on: July 13, 2023, 11:19:48 AM »
Besides canned responses my reps where useless during covid mandates/ state of emergency abuse of power, defund Leo debacle, standard cap mag bans, spring bear cancellation and most recently AR bans...

So I'm not holding my breath they give a rats about the commission's desire to end hunting..

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2023, 02:31:11 PM »
Koontz, like all of you, is just a private citizen who is involved. Imagine if all of us, became as involved.

"Suiting up and showing up" has to become the norm for hunters/anglers as a group. If we don't fight back in meaningful way, these noodleheads will continue steamrolling us.
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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #30 on: July 14, 2023, 02:32:29 PM »
Koontz, like all of you, is just a private citizen who is involved. Imagine if all of us, became as involved.

"Suiting up and showing up" has to become the norm for hunters/anglers as a group. If we don't fight back in meaningful way, these noodleheads will continue steamrolling us.

 :yeah: And taking legal action whenever possible like the antis do.

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Re: Fred Koontz the Guru of the end hunting agenda.
« Reply #31 on: July 14, 2023, 08:11:21 PM »
 :tup: Fight fire with fire
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