Commission Meeting - August 2023

[hunter399]

Doesn't sound like the last meeting went well at all.
I seen this posted just recently,and I like this guy.
We share similar view on this pile of BS.

[Firstgenhunter]

Yep, I was one of the main speakers and can confirm. However, this is the start of something massive...

[TriggerMike]

Yep, I was one of the main speakers and can confirm. However, this is the start of something massive...

And what would this massive thing be

[Tbar]

I believe this weeks Commission meeting was productive for hunters. Dr. Organs presentation was powerful and well received.

I completely disagree.  It was a horrible weekend for hunters. These guys are at least one step ahead and will absolutely cherry pick the NAM to transition into precautionary principles based off the Tennant of science.  The strategy is impressive and masterful, hunters continue to lose ground. Even choosing Organ over Mahoney. 

[Gettin Birdie]

It used to be called "Social Studies" because there is nothing scientific about subjective b.s.  They replaced the word studies with science to sound more credible and dip*censored*s hear the "science" word and think its objective or proven fact   Just a cover for extremist idealogues, like CRT is. 

[dwils233]

It used to be called "Social Studies" because there is nothing scientific about subjective b.s.  They replaced the word studies with science to sound more credible and dip*censored*s hear the "science" word and think its objective or proven fact   Just a cover for extremist idealogues, like CRT is.

That's not quite accurate. The core social sciences- linguistics, geography, anthropology, archeology, law, economics, are called sciences because they involve the use of scientific method and analysis in forming and proving hypothesis. Science is relevant to their outcomes and/or is utilized as a process. Economics for example uses qualitative and quantitative data, statistical analysis and iterative development for theories. There are certainly less hard science fields, but the most respected and established ones are credible because of science or the scientific method

[hunter399]

Yep, I was one of the main speakers and can confirm. However, this is the start of something massive...

And what would this massive thing be

Trying to cut the fall bear season now.
End cougar hunting.
Basically saying population counts are not hard counts,such as with deer and elk.Not enough science to approve bear and cougar seasons in the next three years management plan.
It a whole new level of insanity.
Basically anytime a new season setting proposal comes into play,they are attempting to cut any predator season they can.

But reality is that us as humans top apex predator has been coexisting with most wildlife under the north America model for a long time. Season should not drastically change without science proving a need to do so. Not change season based on lack of science. IT'S an EXCUSE to change seasons. Season setting Science is over the past 80 years says it works.
Honestly certain commissioners are butthurt over lawsuits and petitions that keep at there throats. So they have decided to keep chopping at our opportunity.


That's not my YouTube channel,but he does a really good explanation of a recent commission meeting.

[fishngamereaper]

Decrease predator hunting, increase predators, decrease ungulates, decrease tags, decrease hunter's.... checkmate...

[hunter399]

Decrease predator hunting, increase predators, decrease ungulates, decrease tags, decrease hunter's.... checkmate...

Yup pretty much.
I was a little skeptical if you'd say that a few years ago.
With this recent meeting. I'm a believer now.

[MADMAX]

Decrease predator hunting, increase predators, decrease ungulates, decrease tags, decrease hunter's.... checkmate...

Yup pretty much.
I was a little skeptical if you'd say that a few years ago.
With this recent meeting. I'm a believer now.

They wont stop until your unarmed

Playing the long game at least 10 years now

[GOcougsHunter]

To add fuel to this fire (sorry)
In today's Seattle Times editorial section:
Washington wildlife: Thank you for the support
Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:30 am 
By Letters editor
The Seattle Times
Just about six months ago the director of the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW), Kelly Susewind, and I, as a WDFW commission member, published an Op-Ed in The Seattle Times [“Fund the protection of wildlife and habitat for all Washingtonians,” Feb. 22, Opinion]. We discussed the very real biodiversity crisis facing this state and the actions we can take as an agency to slow or reverse the toll that climate change and population growth is taking on our state’s natural resources.

This note is to thank Washington citizens and the Legislature for responding with funding to significantly add to our ability to do just that. The fact that the agency is ready to tackle difficult issues such as improving habitat for our wildlife shows a willingness to grow past the outdated and inaccurate perception that WDFW exists simply to support hunting and fishing. I believe there is nothing wrong with responsible hunting and fishing (an opinion shared by a large majority of Washingtonians). That is not the primary challenge. Managing and conserving our resources so that they will still exist now and into the future is.

We all must adapt to new realities. Thank you for the opportunity to grow that response.

Barbara Baker, Olympia


This is what is called "Scope Creep" in the medical community.  The commissioners are now openly diminishing the role of consumptive users and see their role and overreach as something much bigger than their mandate.  The nod to "responsible hunting and fishing" is pandering and obviously disingenuous shown by the current behavior of the commission.

[MADMAX]

Nailed it 
Frog in slow boil pot

[Gettin Birdie]

It used to be called "Social Studies" because there is nothing scientific about subjective b.s.  They replaced the word studies with science to sound more credible and dip*censored*s hear the "science" word and think its objective or proven fact   Just a cover for extremist idealogues, like CRT is.

That's not quite accurate. The core social sciences- linguistics, geography, anthropology, archeology, law, economics, are called sciences because they involve the use of scientific method and analysis in forming and proving hypothesis. Science is relevant to their outcomes and/or is utilized as a process. Economics for example uses qualitative and quantitative data, statistical analysis and iterative development for theories. There are certainly less hard science fields, but the most respected and established ones are credible because of science or the scientific method

Oh I agree, and am aware of all that, implementing the scientific method as much as possible in these fields is both necessary and useful.  I'm kind of referring to sociology in general, not geography and economics, etc. and the mixed fields that utilize actual scientific practices, some don't at all, or it's all causation by correlation, which equals fact to them, when the entire field is subjective in nature.  The system works if people are honest and know the limitations, but many are not and look to push an agenda. 

[TriggerMike]

Yep, I was one of the main speakers and can confirm. However, this is the start of something massive...

And what would this massive thing be

Trying to cut the fall bear season now.
End cougar hunting.
Basically saying population counts are not hard counts,such as with deer and elk.Not enough science to approve bear and cougar seasons in the next three years management plan.
It a whole new level of insanity.
Basically anytime a new season setting proposal comes into play,they are attempting to cut any predator season they can.

But reality is that us as humans top apex predator has been coexisting with most wildlife under the north America model for a long time. Season should not drastically change without science proving a need to do so. Not change season based on lack of science. IT'S an EXCUSE to change seasons. Season setting Science is over the past 80 years says it works.
Honestly certain commissioners are butthurt over lawsuits and petitions that keep at there throats. So they have decided to keep chopping at our opportunity.
That's not my YouTube channel,but he does a really good explanation of a recent commission meeting.

I dont think that's what he was getting at. I'll wait for him to respond because I'm genuinely curious.

[hunter399]

Yep, I was one of the main speakers and can confirm. However, this is the start of something massive...

And what would this massive thing be

Trying to cut the fall bear season now.
End cougar hunting.
Basically saying population counts are not hard counts,such as with deer and elk.Not enough science to approve bear and cougar seasons in the next three years management plan.
It a whole new level of insanity.
Basically anytime a new season setting proposal comes into play,they are attempting to cut any predator season they can.

But reality is that us as humans top apex predator has been coexisting with most wildlife under the north America model for a long time. Season should not drastically change without science proving a need to do so. Not change season based on lack of science. IT'S an EXCUSE to change seasons. Season setting Science is over the past 80 years says it works.
Honestly certain commissioners are butthurt over lawsuits and petitions that keep at there throats. So they have decided to keep chopping at our opportunity.
That's not my YouTube channel,but he does a really good explanation of a recent commission meeting.

I dont think that's what he was getting at. I'll wait for him to respond because I'm genuinely curious.

What are you talking about.

All I said about his video is this.

That's not my YouTube channel,but he does a really good explanation of a recent commission meeting.

So the rest is my own opinion. Only views I share with him is a co-exist, balance of wildlife. That's it.and whatever he tells ya in his content I guess.I don't know his opinion on the commission. At this point,don't really care. Everybody has there own.
So what exactly is the problem,with my opinion or what I said about his video.
Please explain.
Can't wait to hear this,should be great🤔

Sorry I went back and put a space in for ya,so you could separate my opinion,from what I said about his video.
But I guess it's to late for that.
Next I'll watch my grammar better ,and explain better when I share a similar view as another.
To add ,I'm sick of the commission or talking about them and all the BS that goes with it.
You all continue gripping about the lost cause that is hunting in this state.


@TriggerMike