Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...

[baker5150]

"there will be no spring bear hunts in Washington until a new, substantiated management concern arises."

If this is a direct quote from the commission, it is dereliction of duty...

RCW 77.04.012 Mandate does not direct the commission to ONLY set a season based on a management need,
on the contrary,
It states "the commission shall ATTEMPT TO MAXIMIZE the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens"

Any attempt to remove opportunity based on anything other than a conservation need, goes directly against the RCW.
   
These statements are ammo for the current law suit. 

[HillHound]

I sure hope they can get somewhere with the lawsuit but when you have the governor and the Attorney General that are best pals and agree with these commissioners I really don’t know how far it’s going to get. But I sure hope it works because I am telling you our game commission is delusional they think they live in a Disney movie where all the animals just frolic and sing together in the woods. And they don’t think all the deer and elk are going to be decimated by the predators, they think they’re going to just be able to walk out into the woods and find Mr. Pooh bear now and ask him for a pot of honey. Like I said before these are the exact same people that go to Yellowstone and try to pet an elk or a buffalo. They cannot differentiate between domesticated and wild animals and therefore think they need the same treatment and protections. Bat *censored* crazy is the only way you can describe them. It probably won’t make a difference but we need to be spamming these peoples emails spamming the comments being as big a thorn in their side as we possibly can. If they can take our hunting we can ruin their day by having to sift through all of our complaints to find what they’re actually looking for. I am not going to let this go I am going to set an alarm daily they are going to hear from me over and over and over again
and we all need to do the same. It grinds these peoples gears to hear what we have to say we can put them in a bad mood every single day by having to open these comments and emails from us that are flooding their boxes and maybe eventually it won’t be worth their time. please help save our hunting. Otherwise if this goes through I’m on a five year plan to get the heck out of the state and you guys are on your own

[ducks4days]

We can make our own commission.

With blackjack. And hookers.

[RC]

"there will be no spring bear hunts in Washington until a new, substantiated management concern arises."

If this is a direct quote from the commission, it is dereliction of duty...

RCW 77.04.012 Mandate does not direct the commission to ONLY set a season based on a management need,
on the contrary,
It states "the commission shall ATTEMPT TO MAXIMIZE the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens"

Any attempt to remove opportunity based on anything other than a conservation need, goes directly against the RCW.
   
These statements are ammo for the current law suit.

The fact that they are viewing hunting only as a management tool is very concerning to me.  With that line of reasoning, what's to keep them from trying to eliminate all bird hunting while they're at it?  Does anybody have an update on how the lawsuit is going?

[Special T]

"there will be no spring bear hunts in Washington until a new, substantiated management concern arises."

If this is a direct quote from the commission, it is dereliction of duty...

RCW 77.04.012 Mandate does not direct the commission to ONLY set a season based on a management need,
on the contrary,
It states "the commission shall ATTEMPT TO MAXIMIZE the public recreational game fishing and hunting opportunities of all citizens"

Any attempt to remove opportunity based on anything other than a conservation need, goes directly against the RCW.
   
These statements are ammo for the current law suit.

The fact that they are viewing hunting only as a management tool is very concerning to me.  With that line of reasoning, what's to keep them from trying to eliminate all bird hunting while they're at it?  Does anybody have an update on how the lawsuit is going?

They are coming for it all. They are just starting with predators because it will force deer and elk into permit only. Predator protection is the perfect tool to end or greatly reduce hunting opportunity.  Logic isnt important because they are not honest brokers in discussion or negotiation.

[pickardjw]

Someone posted an article on this in a more liberal dominated forum and the comments were interesting to say the least. So many people think we should only hunt for population control or think we only cut the heads off. Don't even realize there are laws for meat retention.

One person suggested they set a select amount of permits for specific areas where the timber damage or human conflict is occurring...that's exactly what it was before they took it away!! 

[boneaddict]

You nailed it Special T

[boneaddict]

I'm waiting for this video to show up on here, but it hit my social media yesterday.   Some dude facing off with a big bear at a family picnic in Pennsylvania.   How it pertains to this is that it shows just how naive or dumb most people are in regards to predators in the first place.   Most of the comments are mind blowing how dumb the average bloke is.   

[Special T]

Someone posted an article on this in a more liberal dominated forum and the comments were interesting to say the least. So many people think we should only hunt for population control or think we only cut the heads off. Don't even realize there are laws for meat retention.

One person suggested they set a select amount of permits for specific areas where the timber damage or human conflict is occurring...that's exactly what it was before they took it away!! 

This is a failing of sportsmen in this state. We allow the animal rights crowd to drive the narrative. We do not spend the time and money on it because we are consumed with our pursuit. We have to overcome our psychological inclination as individuals and band together. To animal rights activists this is natural, to us its like trying to herd cats.

[Jake Dogfish]

And the result is a decline in everything they claim as precious.

These top of the food chain protections lead to starvation which is inhumane.  Also it leads to less wildlife overall, which they claim to be for more.  Hopefully someone will point this out in commission meetings sometime.

[pianoman9701]

Someone posted an article on this in a more liberal dominated forum and the comments were interesting to say the least. So many people think we should only hunt for population control or think we only cut the heads off. Don't even realize there are laws for meat retention.

One person suggested they set a select amount of permits for specific areas where the timber damage or human conflict is occurring...that's exactly what it was before they took it away!! 

This is a failing of sportsmen in this state. We allow the animal rights crowd to drive the narrative. We do not spend the time and money on it because we are consumed with our pursuit. We have to overcome our psychological inclination as individuals and band together. To animal rights activists this is natural, to us its like trying to herd cats.

Respectfully, I disagree, Special T. When you have a governor who ignores state law by filling the Commission with animal rights activists because they filled his pockets with donations, the sportsmen and women are ignored completely by those who make the rules. This has been shown time and time again by extremists like Lorna Smith publicly refusing to even read the comments of pro-spring bear advocates. Spending time and money on this is being done by many...to no avail. Inslee doesn't care. The activists on the Commission don't care. They refuse to listen to the sportsmen and women, and even the biologists that are hired to give them data and recommendations for management. Turning on our own people isn't the answer, but I'm unsure what the answer is at this point.

[johnbmyersii]

Someone posted an article on this in a more liberal dominated forum and the comments were interesting to say the least. So many people think we should only hunt for population control or think we only cut the heads off. Don't even realize there are laws for meat retention.

One person suggested they set a select amount of permits for specific areas where the timber damage or human conflict is occurring...that's exactly what it was before they took it away!! 

This is a failing of sportsmen in this state. We allow the animal rights crowd to drive the narrative. We do not spend the time and money on it because we are consumed with our pursuit. We have to overcome our psychological inclination as individuals and band together. To animal rights activists this is natural, to us its like trying to herd cats.

Respectfully, I disagree, Special T. When you have a governor who ignores state law by filling the Commission with animal rights activists because they filled his pockets with donations, the sportsmen and women are ignored completely by those who make the rules. This has been shown time and time again by extremists like Lorna Smith publicly refusing to even read the comments of pro-spring bear advocates. Spending time and money on this is being done by many...to no avail. Inslee doesn't care. The activists on the Commission don't care. They refuse to listen to the sportsmen and women, and even the biologists that are hired to give them data and recommendations for management. Turning on our own people isn't the answer, but I'm unsure what the answer is at this point.

Well said pianoman, just gotta keep donating to the court battle. Thats probably the only way to fight at this point unless a miracle happens and an R gets elected to governor.

[timberfaller]

Its all known as, back door tactics!  Elections have consequences!!  Vote for any D, expect this kind of insanity!!

Started decades ago, with banning Lead, ESA listings, water wars, etc etc!  Oh ya, then throw in a created pandemic!!

The pandemic exposed the EVIL that is our public school system, but don't expect any changes to occur!  As long as there is a Spokane,King and Thurston county's,  expect it to get worse!  The Ten Goals of Marxism has succeeded!

[buckfvr]

Administration of appropriate consequences (whatever that be) to all those complicit, would be a good place to start.

[Special T]

Someone posted an article on this in a more liberal dominated forum and the comments were interesting to say the least. So many people think we should only hunt for population control or think we only cut the heads off. Don't even realize there are laws for meat retention.

One person suggested they set a select amount of permits for specific areas where the timber damage or human conflict is occurring...that's exactly what it was before they took it away!! 

This is a failing of sportsmen in this state. We allow the animal rights crowd to drive the narrative. We do not spend the time and money on it because we are consumed with our pursuit. We have to overcome our psychological inclination as individuals and band together. To animal rights activists this is natural, to us its like trying to herd cats.

Respectfully, I disagree, Special T. When you have a governor who ignores state law by filling the Commission with animal rights activists because they filled his pockets with donations, the sportsmen and women are ignored completely by those who make the rules. This has been shown time and time again by extremists like Lorna Smith publicly refusing to even read the comments of pro-spring bear advocates. Spending time and money on this is being done by many...to no avail. Inslee doesn't care. The activists on the Commission don't care. They refuse to listen to the sportsmen and women, and even the biologists that are hired to give them data and recommendations for management. Turning on our own people isn't the answer, but I'm unsure what the answer is at this point.

I dont think we really disagree so let me clarify. The WDFW survey about hunting attitudes showed that only 10% were anti hunting. 30ish percents were agnostic the rest were some level of pro hunting.  Sportsmen mostly sing to the choir. As a whole we dont do a great job of promoting what hunting is to the non hunting public. The family elk camp, meals, the fire side banter. How delicious the meat is especially from Bears and cougars that the Antis portray are just Trophy hunting. How managing predators helps EVERYONE.

Yes the commission is agenda driven and most are not our advocates, even worse they are not honest brokers in the conversation. They have been able to keep us on defense instead of us fighting back. We have been focused on issues right in front of us not the long term PR campaign/fight.