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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2023, 10:01:11 AM »
We're not far apart and I do respect your informed opinion. But my main frustration is with the governor and his minions.
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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2023, 10:06:32 AM »
Its hard to focus on just one issue, let alone just our state. Federal move to expand lead bans on refuges. California trying to implement a 11% tax on law abiding ammo and gun purchasers. Oregon trying to make ALL killing of animals illegal. And then our state continuously taking hunting opportunities away. It can be seen as nothing more as an orchestrated attack on hunting and self subsistence nationally IMO...

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2023, 10:12:02 AM »
We're not far apart and I do respect your informed opinion. But my main frustration is with the governor and his minions.

We dont disagree with each other then. Im just pointing out "the long game". One we dont seem to play because we are busy putting out fires.
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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2023, 10:42:43 AM »
Its hard to focus on just one issue, let alone just our state. Federal move to expand lead bans on refuges. California trying to implement a 11% tax on law abiding ammo and gun purchasers. Oregon trying to make ALL killing of animals illegal. And then our state continuously taking hunting opportunities away. It can be seen as nothing more as an orchestrated attack on hunting and self subsistence nationally IMO...


Its forced evolution from citizen to subject.  Eliminate our ability to take care of and defend ourselves in exchange for complete dependence on rulers.  No food no guns, lots of sheep.

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2023, 10:51:09 AM »
Can we please please please get a Republican candidate who can be elected given this is a heavy blue state?  The MAGA crap (at least at the state level) has to stop for any of this to change. 

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2023, 03:00:39 PM »
It's time for everyone to start opening their wallets and start setting aside time to be part of stuff that will help fight these people and make a difference. I drove all the way up to the event last night in Arlington to help raise more funds for the Sportsmen's Alliance to litigate on our behalf. There is also the opportunity to show up and attend the commission meeting in Olympia on October 27th. We need thousands to go. Oh, and Semi Bird the next Governor of Washington State, was in attendance at the event last night as well. What does that tell you about what kind of advocate for hunters he would be?
Everyone lives off the land.  Some of us simply have more fun doing it.

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2023, 03:17:21 PM »
It's time for everyone to start opening their wallets and start setting aside time to be part of stuff that will help fight these people and make a difference. I drove all the way up to the event last night in Arlington to help raise more funds for the Sportsmen's Alliance to litigate on our behalf. There is also the opportunity to show up and attend the commission meeting in Olympia on October 27th. We need thousands to go. Oh, and Semi Bird the next Governor of Washington State, was in attendance at the event last night as well. What does that tell you about what kind of advocate for hunters he would be?

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2023, 03:58:58 PM »
It's funny how we hear about Bob Ferguson enforcing/prosecuting
High capacity magazines.
People like our commission are protected to the hilt.
Pretty much break and change laws as they like.

Whatever happened to doing away with the commission.
Putting DNR commissioners in charge.
I think at this point in the game ,we as hunters would be better off without a commission.
I know for a fact that other states have merged wildlife with natural resources department. I don't hear about those states ending hunting.

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2023, 04:12:20 PM »
It's funny how we hear about Bob Ferguson enforcing/prosecuting
High capacity magazines.
People like our commission are protected to the hilt.
Pretty much break and change laws as they like.

Whatever happened to doing away with the commission.
Putting DNR commissioners in charge.
I think at this point in the game ,we as hunters would be better off without a commission.
I know for a fact that other states have merged wildlife with natural resources department. I don't hear about those states ending hunting.

It was a parks WDFW merger 15 ish years ago. It would be a wreck.

We have not always had a commission. In 1995 referendum 45 created the Commission  instead of the director being appointed by the Govenor.  I have heard some rumblings about a move to repeal Ref 45 and delegate the authority to the legislature. I'm not sure that this is the best course of action. Forcing the Govenor to abide by RCW 77.04.040 is the best course of action.

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2023, 06:23:18 PM »
It's funny how we hear about Bob Ferguson enforcing/prosecuting
High capacity magazines.
People like our commission are protected to the hilt.
Pretty much break and change laws as they like.

Whatever happened to doing away with the commission.
Putting DNR commissioners in charge.
I think at this point in the game ,we as hunters would be better off without a commission.
I know for a fact that other states have merged wildlife with natural resources department. I don't hear about those states ending hunting.

It was a parks WDFW merger 15 ish years ago. It would be a wreck.

We have not always had a commission. In 1995 referendum 45 created the Commission  instead of the director being appointed by the Govenor.  I have heard some rumblings about a move to repeal Ref 45 and delegate the authority to the legislature. I'm not sure that this is the best course of action. Forcing the Govenor to abide by RCW 77.04.040 is the best course of action.

Maybe your right.
Maybe not.
Inslee is going to bail out.
Then you'll just have a new governor,so what happens then.

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2023, 06:33:16 PM »
The governor appoints the current commission. A new governor could bring balance by following the rcw. If we got a Republican that could happen. I think folks don't understand the mechanics of how the system  works or how it could potentially with other pitfaĺls
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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2023, 06:36:23 PM »
A new governor is the only hope unless you have deep pockets and a decade to fight the nonsense.  The state pretty much just follow whatever laws they want and forces people to court if they want anything done.

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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2023, 07:00:38 PM »
You guys are on the optimistic side.
I'm more on the reality side.
Damage control from spring bear,and recently other talks of predator hunting ending will take years to reverse.
With a "better governor".
Even with a "balanced" commission the tie vote on regulation could last for years.

The language in some of those RCW  Leaves legal loop holes.
You know who ends up governor,he will jump through those holes.
The commission mandate is part of those RCW.
It just seems to me .....
That when people are involved in illegal activities.
And they get away with it, they will continue down that path.
Which is where we sit .
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Re: Spring bear shot down again. Shocking...
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2023, 08:37:10 PM »
Ferguson should help us all out!
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