The ridiculousness of the Methow Valley and Mule deer

[bigmacc]

There are probably about a dozen in the cascades as a high estimate now.   I'll guestimate like the WDFW does mule deer. LOL    I cant even imagine 200 of them. LOL once again, not following science but Disney.     

The catastrophic fires will help with feed (lightbulb)

You have a complete change of attitude when hunting where there are Grizz.

I agree bone, I’ve seen one up that drainage I’ve told you of up north and I’ve seen one way up the Chewuch within a rocks throw of the border, well back when I had a good arm. Point being, I like you know darn well they’ve been stumbling around up north, back and forth for decades. Let them be! Why the hell do you need to bring in semi loads of them! Like I said, when they became the WDFW they became a tool for the democrat agendas, Our Governor is probably volunteering to drive the semi for ole Joe to get those S.OB,s in that turf asap.

There could be 2 grizz in the whole NC, and they will still shut down a lot of country for recovery, and like the wolves , it's really not that they care about these predators anymore than they do deer, they are just tools to shut down public lands, destroying hunting. There has always been a bigger agenda in the background.

Hunters as we have seen just on here, can't come together to fight any of this, some will think a few grizz  are fine just like they did with the wolves, it's a dang shame. If the outdoorsy people would all git their chit together and realize that what they refuse to fight will eventually end all recreation on public lands, maybe then we would have a chance at stopping this BS.

I agree wolfbait.

[mountainman]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-moves-unleash-apex-predator-near-rural-community.amp

[mountainman]

Quick side direct-Grizzly trapped in Colville…

https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/grizzly-bear-captured-stevens-county-killing-chickens/293-10260959-718e-4a5c-ad55-0546d94205be

[wolfbait]

Quick side direct-Grizzly trapped in Colville…

https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/grizzly-bear-captured-stevens-county-killing-chickens/293-10260959-718e-4a5c-ad55-0546d94205be

 bears gota eat something.....


https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/29/bad-year-for-montana-grizzly-bears-continues-as-yet-another-is-shot/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&_kx=03QhdhzlvjEwc5SAgf0fx06umFkyTHl9Uc97HTi5MXeNGGMZDqRLeqPZMZUnznjw.UXPtrV


I think it was in the 90's one of our county commissioners caught WDFW releasing grizzly bears up on the Loup Loup summit. WDFW employee told the commissioner it was way above his pay grade when ask what he was doing, the WDFW didn't know he was speaking to a county commissioner.

[highcountry_hunter]

Quick side direct-Grizzly trapped in Colville…

https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/grizzly-bear-captured-stevens-county-killing-chickens/293-10260959-718e-4a5c-ad55-0546d94205be

 bears gota eat something.....


https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/29/bad-year-for-montana-grizzly-bears-continues-as-yet-another-is-shot/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=campaign&_kx=03QhdhzlvjEwc5SAgf0fx06umFkyTHl9Uc97HTi5MXeNGGMZDqRLeqPZMZUnznjw.UXPtrV


I think it was in the 90's one of our county commissioners caught WDFW releasing grizzly bears up on the Loup Loup summit. WDFW employee told the commissioner it was way above his pay grade when ask what he was doing, the WDFW didn't know he was speaking to a county commissioner.

Did the commissioner make this front page news?


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[timberfaller]

A lot of "things" have happened in the Methow over the decades!!  Hey, wolfbait, how's those "grizzly's" doing behind Sun Mt.!?? 

Know a former USFS employee who was going up on a weekend to get firewood and came upon a dark "green" pickup with exempt plate on it.  Only pickups that color were WDFW.  Followed behind it for a while until it stopped.  Driver came back and told him to leave or get arrested.  He noticed the back was full of "boxes" covered with a tarp. Being the fella he is, he turned around and left.  Not long afterwards, guess what was recorded being sighted??? Yep, Wolves.

When the Salmon listing started, a whole lot of shenanigans took place!!   Especially up Gold Creek and Pangborn Air field!

[wolfbait]

A lot of "things" have happened in the Methow over the decades!!  Hey, wolfbait, how's those "grizzly's" doing behind Sun Mt.!?? 

Know a former USFS employee who was going up on a weekend to get firewood and came upon a dark "green" pickup with exempt plate on it.  Only pickups that color were WDFW.  Followed behind it for a while until it stopped.  Driver came back and told him to leave or get arrested.  He noticed the back was full of "boxes" covered with a tarp. Being the fella he is, he turned around and left.  Not long afterwards, guess what was recorded being sighted??? Yep, Wolves.

When the Salmon listing started, a whole lot of shenanigans took place!!   Especially up Gold Creek and Pangborn Air field!

99% sighting of a grizzly bear, no hair, not scat, no tracks.  They sure blew that one all to hell, really showed their true colors.

I know the guy you are talking about with the wolf release story, also know along about that same time frame the state patrol closing off certain roads up the Twisp River when WDFW would take their horse trailers up, with no horses. Yep not a lot of trust of WDF$Predators.

[bigmacc]

A lot of "things" have happened in the Methow over the decades!!  Hey, wolfbait, how's those "grizzly's" doing behind Sun Mt.!?? 

Know a former USFS employee who was going up on a weekend to get firewood and came upon a dark "green" pickup with exempt plate on it.  Only pickups that color were WDFW.  Followed behind it for a while until it stopped.  Driver came back and told him to leave or get arrested.  He noticed the back was full of "boxes" covered with a tarp. Being the fella he is, he turned around and left.  Not long afterwards, guess what was recorded being sighted??? Yep, Wolves.

When the Salmon listing started, a whole lot of shenanigans took place!!   Especially up Gold Creek and Pangborn Air field!

99% sighting of a grizzly bear, no hair, not scat, no tracks.  They sure blew that one all to hell, really showed their true colors.

I know the guy you are talking about with the wolf release story, also know along about that same time frame the state patrol closing off certain roads up the Twisp River when WDFW would take their horse trailers up, with no horses. Yep not a lot of trust of WDF$Predators.

My dad and I reported a wolf sighting up Boulder in December back in the 90,s, including video! The dang thing dropped down an embankment on to the road and stared us down from about 20 yards or so. We were letting my lab out to pee when it came down onto the road. My black lab weighed in at 110lbs, he flew back to the truck with his tail between his legs, that “big, black, coyote” dwarfed that 100 plus pound lab! Yep, that’s what they said it was when we showed the video. It was grainy and blurry but it was obvious it was no coyote. I know what a coyote looks like, even a big coyote and my dad was practically raised for half his boyhood life in Alaska and had seen hundreds of wolves.

[wolfbait]

A lot of "things" have happened in the Methow over the decades!!  Hey, wolfbait, how's those "grizzly's" doing behind Sun Mt.!?? 

Know a former USFS employee who was going up on a weekend to get firewood and came upon a dark "green" pickup with exempt plate on it.  Only pickups that color were WDFW.  Followed behind it for a while until it stopped.  Driver came back and told him to leave or get arrested.  He noticed the back was full of "boxes" covered with a tarp. Being the fella he is, he turned around and left.  Not long afterwards, guess what was recorded being sighted??? Yep, Wolves.

When the Salmon listing started, a whole lot of shenanigans took place!!   Especially up Gold Creek and Pangborn Air field!

99% sighting of a grizzly bear, no hair, not scat, no tracks.  They sure blew that one all to hell, really showed their true colors.

I know the guy you are talking about with the wolf release story, also know along about that same time frame the state patrol closing off certain roads up the Twisp River when WDFW would take their horse trailers up, with no horses. Yep not a lot of trust of WDF$Predators.

My dad and I reported a wolf sighting up Boulder in December back in the 90,s, including video! The dang thing dropped down an embankment on to the road and stared us down from about 20 yards or so. We were letting my lab out to pee when it came down onto the road. My black lab weighed in at 110lbs, he flew back to the truck with his tail between his legs, that “big, black, coyote” dwarfed that 100 plus pound lab! Yep, that’s what they said it was when we showed the video. It was grainy and blurry but it was obvious it was no coyote. I know what a coyote looks like, even a big coyote and my dad was practically raised for half his boyhood life in Alaska and had seen hundreds of wolves.

We ran into wolves up the 8 mile in the early 90's, and were told to shut up about what we had seen.

[wolfbait]

A lot of "things" have happened in the Methow over the decades!!  Hey, wolfbait, how's those "grizzly's" doing behind Sun Mt.!?? 

Know a former USFS employee who was going up on a weekend to get firewood and came upon a dark "green" pickup with exempt plate on it.  Only pickups that color were WDFW.  Followed behind it for a while until it stopped.  Driver came back and told him to leave or get arrested.  He noticed the back was full of "boxes" covered with a tarp. Being the fella he is, he turned around and left.  Not long afterwards, guess what was recorded being sighted??? Yep, Wolves.

When the Salmon listing started, a whole lot of shenanigans took place!!   Especially up Gold Creek and Pangborn Air field!

99% sighting of a grizzly bear, no hair, not scat, no tracks.  They sure blew that one all to hell, really showed their true colors.

I know the guy you are talking about with the wolf release story, also know along about that same time frame the state patrol closing off certain roads up the Twisp River when WDFW would take their horse trailers up, with no horses. Yep not a lot of trust of WDF$Predators.

My dad and I reported a wolf sighting up Boulder in December back in the 90,s, including video! The dang thing dropped down an embankment on to the road and stared us down from about 20 yards or so. We were letting my lab out to pee when it came down onto the road. My black lab weighed in at 110lbs, he flew back to the truck with his tail between his legs, that “big, black, coyote” dwarfed that 100 plus pound lab! Yep, that’s what they said it was when we showed the video. It was grainy and blurry but it was obvious it was no coyote. I know what a coyote looks like, even a big coyote and my dad was practically raised for half his boyhood life in Alaska and had seen hundreds of wolves.

We ran into wolves up the 8 mile in the early 90's, and were told to shut up about what we had seen.

Were gonna have a “rendavoue” this year. Would love to have you. Would love to have bone, would love to have timberfaller. And of course our favorite Warden. I have one, he’s invited. The best Phillys on a flat top. Stories of the Methow, stories of hunting camps gone by.😢

I will come for sure, PM me the details!

[bugs n bones]

There are probably about a dozen in the cascades as a high estimate now.   I'll guestimate like the WDFW does mule deer. LOL    I cant even imagine 200 of them. LOL once again, not following science but Disney.     

The catastrophic fires will help with feed (lightbulb)

You have a complete change of attitude when hunting where there are Grizz.

I agree bone, I’ve seen one up that drainage I’ve told you of up north and I’ve seen one way up the Chewuch within a rocks throw of the border, well back when I had a good arm. Point being, I like you know darn well they’ve been stumbling around up north, back and forth for decades. Let them be! Why the hell do you need to bring in semi loads of them! Like I said, when they became the WDFW they became a tool for the democrat agendas, Our Governor is probably volunteering to drive the semi for ole Joe to get those S.OB,s in that turf asap.

There could be 2 grizz in the whole NC, and they will still shut down a lot of country for recovery, and like the wolves , it's really not that they care about these predators anymore than they do deer, they are just tools to shut down public lands, destroying hunting. There has always been a bigger agenda in the background.

Hunters as we have seen just on here, can't come together to fight any of this, some will think a few grizz  are fine just like they did with the wolves, it's a dang shame. If the outdoorsy people would all git their chit together and realize that what they refuse to fight will eventually end all recreation on public lands, maybe then we would have a chance at stopping this BS.

100 percent correct !

[timberfaller]

Thanks for the invite bigmacc!!  Sent you a PM!

[Dave Workman]

The comment about mule deer being important because they're the primary food source for wolves and lions is telling

BINGO!  The WDFW seems more interested in feeding predators than in providing hunting opportunities for the sportsmen and women who pay their way.

"Mule deer are an important component of the Methow ecosystem. They are primary prey for cougars and wolves, and their carcasses are a major food source for eagles during the winter."

Time to do two things, maybe: Restore hound hunting for cougars and bears.  Delist wolves in this state and put a season on them.

And maybe a third thing, which is going to light some fuses I am sure:  Put restrictions on motorbikes and snowmobiles during late fall and winter months in critical deer habitat.

[bigmacc]

The comment about mule deer being important because they're the primary food source for wolves and lions is telling

BINGO!  The WDFW seems more interested in feeding predators than in providing hunting opportunities for the sportsmen and women who pay their way.

"Mule deer are an important component of the Methow ecosystem. They are primary prey for cougars and wolves, and their carcasses are a major food source for eagles during the winter."

Time to do two things, maybe: Restore hound hunting for cougars and bears.  Delist wolves in this state and put a season on them.

And maybe a third thing, which is going to light some fuses I am sure:  Put restrictions on motorbikes and snowmobiles during late fall and winter months in critical deer habitat.

👍👍

I love every bit of what you said!

As far as managing this particular herd for predators instead of hunters, yep, been saying it for years, even know some other folks who 100 percent agree!!!!!

[Scruffy]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my