The ridiculousness of the Methow Valley and Mule deer

[highcountry_hunter]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

Umm don’t you think a hound hunter would thoroughly enjoy taking other people out to get a cat aswell?


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[Skyvalhunter]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

When a hound hunter has that much involved they either take family and friends out or run a guide buisness

Umm don’t you think a hound hunter would thoroughly enjoy taking other people out to get a cat aswell?


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[NOCK NOCK]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

You are correct, it wont.

There are wayyyy more issues involved in herd decline than just predators. For whatever reason the preds. are always folks favorite excuse. 

[Skyvalhunter]

That's because they have the largest year impact on the deer population.

[3nails]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

Probably about half the time and money I put into shooting 1 deer per year. 

[mcrawfordaf]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

You should really give a listen to the Broadside Podcast with Bart George. Boot hunters really just cannot impact the cougar population like dogs can. In other states, areas with troublesome cougar populations have dog running seasons where no harvest takes place. They run the dogs simply to haze the cats back from the area.

[NOCK NOCK]

That's because they have the largest year impact on the deer population.

Prove it!

[wolfbait]

That's because they have the largest year impact on the deer population.

Prove it!

That's not hard to do at all, look at the Lolo elk herd or the Yellowstone after the illegal introduction of wolves. Do you think the wolves only eat elk?

[buglebrush]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

Every cat hunter I know goes out constantly taking other people.   I know many guys who would immediately get dogs if it was legal, and even one hound hunter per gmu would make a huge difference! 

Predators are the antis' tool to end otc hunting.  Once hunting is draw only recruitment will cease, and it will die.   

[wolfbait]

I would like to ask, everyone wants to bring back hounds like that is the answer.  How many guys are going run out and buy dogs, train them to go hunt 1 cougar per year?  That is a big and timely investment.  Everyone can buy a cougar tag and hunt them from Sept to April and yet only a few people actually go out to hunt cougar specifically.  Most are taken while another game specie while calling.  I think we hunters need to get more active and hunt predators that we can to help the deer herds and reduce the number of predators.   

I am not against hound hunting and I understand it is easier to tree one, but I just don't see how legalizing hounds will produce that many more cougar kills to make a difference.  Just my 

Every cat hunter I know goes out constantly taking other people.   I know many guys who would immediately get dogs if it was legal, and even one hound hunter per gmu would make a huge difference! 

Predators are the antis' tool to end otc hunting.  Once hunting is draw only recruitment will cease, and it will die.   

 

[Mtnwalker]

They've got the death of 1000 cuts down to an art. You can see it in so many of the proposals being currently discussed. It is absolutely intentional.

[timberfaller]

As the Sierra Club was to logging, SO is the Center for Bio-diversity to the hunting and shooting world!!

There is NO compromising or working with these "people"!  They are "agenda" driven only,  real science is not in play!  Know your enemy's!

[2MANY]

They come wired that ALL hunting is Bad.
You will never change that wiring unless it's with money.

Similar to today's America hating protesters.
They are wired to hate America no matter what the issue or how logical it may be.

[timberfaller]

 

As long as there is grant money to be had and a university to hide out in, they'll just keep being produced!

I see Wally World has started to see the light when it comes to having "degree'd" personal in upper management!! "Skilled" people with just a high school indoctrination, are more desirable! 

[NOCK NOCK]

That's because they have the largest year impact on the deer population.

Prove it!

That's not hard to do at all, look at the Lolo elk herd or the Yellowstone after the illegal introduction of wolves. Do you think the wolves only eat elk?

Totally diff ecosystems…. Even so, that does not prove the reason todrop of herd quantity.
Go ahead and keep on drinking the wolf-aid,   Pretty sure you are kegs worth into it so far.

PS, I’m not say wolves/preds do not play a part……just not as big
Of a role as most claim…… they are an easy blame tool