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Quote from: bigmacc on October 29, 2023, 03:48:56 PMQuote from: Tbar on October 29, 2023, 08:35:33 AMQuote from: mountainman on September 26, 2023, 11:09:08 AMMore of Fitkin being mis-informed..https://methowvalleynews.com/2023/09/21/praise-criticism-for-proposed-winter-wildlife-closures/?fbclid=IwAR1WILfY7n2HmzTi7--FRCwrrjKEkM3oIhicAxUZeBTuz8HLmQVELHCDMsI_aem_ATpOccKVdFafEo29z5qzPgrVFXs5SdJQwqJ_-kA4evJlT4aVnOMVtkK4CX2HZ_zxySQ&mibextid=9R9pXOProtection of critical winter habitat is a good thing and the non hunting public have a large impact especially on mule deer. Lack of critical winter habitat is the single largest threat to their future existence. I have no misconceptions about the impacts of cougars and wolves but development and fragmentation create more constriction and opportunity for predation than a closure. I cannot disagree, IMO there’s a much larger problem, they have 4 legs and their populations are growing AND spreading. This closure in my opinion is pure BS, look at WDFW past performance in the management of the deer, protection of predators, no winter feeding and doe tags. And the guy running the meeting is the most pro predator guy of the outfit. The same guy that blamed everything but wolves for livestock predation. Now WDFW suddenly Care about the deer?Meanwhile, in real life the mule deer and whitetail winter in towns, around homes and in the river bottoms. This is just another snow job by WDFW for the brainwashed people that now populate the Valley, as one game warden said last winter: The city people believe everything we tell them.Use the emotional hook to close down land with No deer, lie to your face, just like they did and are still do with the wolves. And some of you fell for it hook line and sinker.
Quote from: Tbar on October 29, 2023, 08:35:33 AMQuote from: mountainman on September 26, 2023, 11:09:08 AMMore of Fitkin being mis-informed..https://methowvalleynews.com/2023/09/21/praise-criticism-for-proposed-winter-wildlife-closures/?fbclid=IwAR1WILfY7n2HmzTi7--FRCwrrjKEkM3oIhicAxUZeBTuz8HLmQVELHCDMsI_aem_ATpOccKVdFafEo29z5qzPgrVFXs5SdJQwqJ_-kA4evJlT4aVnOMVtkK4CX2HZ_zxySQ&mibextid=9R9pXOProtection of critical winter habitat is a good thing and the non hunting public have a large impact especially on mule deer. Lack of critical winter habitat is the single largest threat to their future existence. I have no misconceptions about the impacts of cougars and wolves but development and fragmentation create more constriction and opportunity for predation than a closure. I cannot disagree, IMO there’s a much larger problem, they have 4 legs and their populations are growing AND spreading.
Quote from: mountainman on September 26, 2023, 11:09:08 AMMore of Fitkin being mis-informed..https://methowvalleynews.com/2023/09/21/praise-criticism-for-proposed-winter-wildlife-closures/?fbclid=IwAR1WILfY7n2HmzTi7--FRCwrrjKEkM3oIhicAxUZeBTuz8HLmQVELHCDMsI_aem_ATpOccKVdFafEo29z5qzPgrVFXs5SdJQwqJ_-kA4evJlT4aVnOMVtkK4CX2HZ_zxySQ&mibextid=9R9pXOProtection of critical winter habitat is a good thing and the non hunting public have a large impact especially on mule deer. Lack of critical winter habitat is the single largest threat to their future existence. I have no misconceptions about the impacts of cougars and wolves but development and fragmentation create more constriction and opportunity for predation than a closure.
More of Fitkin being mis-informed..https://methowvalleynews.com/2023/09/21/praise-criticism-for-proposed-winter-wildlife-closures/?fbclid=IwAR1WILfY7n2HmzTi7--FRCwrrjKEkM3oIhicAxUZeBTuz8HLmQVELHCDMsI_aem_ATpOccKVdFafEo29z5qzPgrVFXs5SdJQwqJ_-kA4evJlT4aVnOMVtkK4CX2HZ_zxySQ&mibextid=9R9pXO
Predation is being discounted for sure! Interesting how as the wolf numbers increase, the deer numbers drastically decrease. The fact that today's generation of politicians think they are smarter than yesterday's generation is appalling. Our forefathers eradicated predators line wolf's for good reason!
Nobody needs to “leave the discussion”.
Worst I have seen it. At this point you could stop legal harvest. Check mate!
Has anyone by chance thought about the reason folks are seeing WAY MORE predators? May be their populations are not as gargantuan as is believed, but that because there are so few deer, they are having to spend a lot more time moving around/hunting, making them much more susceptible to being seen/leaving lots of tracks everywhere. Ponder that!Maybe I will leave the conversation.......getting old hearing the same ole same ole.
