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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2023, 02:46:41 PM »
Already a couple of threads on it
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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2023, 02:47:10 PM »
Already a couple of threads on it

oh I guess Im late to the party

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Local residents explode at Biden officials over plan to release grizzly bears near their communities

'If any grizzly bear comes around my place, I'm shooting it,' one resident told federal officials

Dozens of local residents in northern Washington recently voiced their strong opposition to a Biden administration plan to release grizzly bears, an apex predator, in a federally-managed forest area near their communities.

More than 200 local residents attended a public comment session in northern Washington hosted by the Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) and National Parks Service (NPS), with roughly 50 speaking in opposition of the federal grizzly bear proposal and just six voicing their support. Rep. Dan Newhouse, R-Wash., who represents local communities, was among the speakers voicing concerns about the plan's potential consequences.

"As a farmer, I worry not only about the bears destroying my crops, but for the safety and well-being of myself, my family, and my on-farm hands," Newhouse remarked during the session. "It is clear you all know that grizzlies can and probably will move out of the zone in which you drop them in, yet rather than letting common sense prevail, are continuing to push forward with this dangerous plan."

"So tell me, what is the agency’s plan for dealing with crop loss and livestock depredation that is inevitable from the introduction of these predators? What is the timeline for issuing lethal permits? And how much will citizens have to lose before they can defend themselves from this predator in their backyard?" he continued.

In late September, the NPS and FWS proposed the rule and draft environmental impact statement opening the door to release the apex predator in North Cascades National Park in northern Washington along the U.S.-Canada border. The proposal was cheered by left-wing eco groups but criticized by local lawmakers like Newhouse and residents.

Under the proposal, the federal government would release up to seven grizzly bears annually into the North Cascades ecosystem over the course of the next five to 10 years. The federal government's overarching goal would be to establish a grizzly bear population of roughly 200 bears in the coming decades.

"There's not the habitat up there for the grizzly bear. There never has been and there never will be," one resident said during the comment session last week, according to video obtained by Fox News Digital. "So, you're going to put grizzly bears there, what are they going to do? They're going to get right out in the winter. They're going to go right down in Mazama and they're going to go down in the rest of the area because they're not going to stay up there. So, I'm opposed to it completely."

"If you're not willing to accept responsibility for what goes down in this county from the actions that you take, you have no business taking those actions," another resident said, addressing the federal officials in attendance.

The federal plan released in September includes three options, two that would involve actively restoring populations of the threatened grizzly bear species and one "no action" alternative that would maintain current management practices. As part of the announcement, the public is invited to comment on the proposed actions through mid-November.

Hugh Morrison, the regional FWS director, said grizzly bears are part of the region's heritage and restoring them could be done in a way that ensures communities, residents and animals "can all coexist peacefully."

According to the NPS, Grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996.

"Nobody needs grizzlies, nobody needs wolves," another resident added during the event last week. "And the thing we need even less than that is the Department of Fish and Wildlife. These guys know nothing about fish, they don't care about wildlife. All they want to do is ruin the most important people, which is farmers and ranchers who grow our food. There's no reason for these people, there's no reason for grizzly bears."

"If any grizzly bear comes around my place, I'm shooting it," he said.

Another resident, an 80-year-old man who said he frequently hunts in the area, said the federal officials who proposed the grizzly release plan are "super book smart, but dumber than hell" when it comes to on-the-ground conditions facing citizens.

While the plan would release grizzly bears near communities, according to the Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife, unintentionally or intentionally killing a grizzly bear in the state can result in massive fines and penalties since the species is listed as federally threatened and state-listed as endangered.

"We have previously provided extensive comments opposing grizzly bear reintroduction into our local communities," the commissioners of Chelan County, Washington, which is located near North Cascades, wrote to the NPS in December. "We continue to oppose grizzly bear reintroduction given the likely negative impacts to public safety, economic development, recreation opportunities and the overall livelihood of our rural communities."

"The federal agencies leading this effort have generally failed to address these concerns and have failed to engage in any meaningful way Chelan County and other neighboring counties in the proposed grizzly bear restoration area," they added in their letter.

Plans to reintroduce grizzly bears to the North Cascades dates back to the Obama administration. Then, after significant state opposition led by Newhouse, the Trump administration concluded that grizzly bears would not be restored in the ecosystem.

Former Interior Secretary David Bernhardt noted in July 2020 that grizzly bears are not in danger of extinction and that his agency could manage populations across their existing range.

However, late last year, following extensive litigation from environmental groups, the Biden administration announced it would again review whether to move forward with restoration, a process that led to the proposal in September.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/local-residents-explode-biden-officials-plan-release-grizzly-bears-near-communities
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Another resident, an 80-year-old man who said he frequently hunts in the area, said the federal officials who proposed the grizzly release plan are "super book smart, but dumber than hell" when it comes to on-the-ground conditions facing citizens.



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Another resident, an 80-year-old man who said he frequently hunts in the area, said the federal officials who proposed the grizzly release plan are "super book smart, but dumber than hell" when it comes to on-the-ground conditions facing citizens.



This guy nailed it

I was just going to copy and paste that exact quote. You beat me too it.

I will add that it helps that Newhouse is being so vocal about this

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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2023, 05:42:18 AM »
Some of us remember when just a few years ago Trump's first Interior Secretary (Ryan Zinke) was also in support of putting grizzlies in the North Cascades. Had Zinke not quit, the relocation plan may have already begun.

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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2023, 06:59:22 AM »
Some of us remember when just a few years ago Trump's first Interior Secretary (Ryan Zinke) was also in support of putting grizzlies in the North Cascades. Had Zinke not quit, the relocation plan may have already begun.

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That's true although as I recall Zinke backed away when faced with opposition and reason. Will Biden?

"Zinke’s broken promise on North Cascades grizzlies stings"

https://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/zinkes-broken-promise-on-north-cascades-grizzlies-stings/

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Despite voicing his strong support, Zinke continued to stall, delay and undermine the recovery process. Work on the plan came to a standstill after he issued a “stop work” order in August. This isn’t the first time the secretary has put work on hold. The entire process has advanced by fits and starts ever since he took office. These needless delays have wasted time and money that could have been spent on bringing these American icons home to the Cascade Mountains.

After telling the National Park Service and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to halt all work, Zinke laid out no plan for restarting work on the grizzly-recovery plan.
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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2023, 08:03:06 AM »
From the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."

Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?
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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2023, 08:10:13 AM »
From the article in the original OP's post: "According to the announcement, grizzly bears occupied the North Cascades and served as an "essential part of the ecosystem" for thousands of years. However, in the 20th century, as a result of aggressive hunting practices, the species was driven into near extinction and the last confirmed sighting of a grizzly bear in the North Cascades ecosystem was in 1996."

Am I wrong in thinking that grizzlies have been sighted recently?

Those recent grizzlies, as well as I can remember, have not been in the cascades.
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Well, I see the "Feds" are still applying their usual MO!!

Seen this same tempo from all the Salmon listing/irrigation public meetings held in the Methow decades ago!!  Still pulling the same ole you know what!! :bash:

They've gotten pretty good at their "craft",  the public can get as mad as they want, WE are not going to win against their "agenda's".   Newhouse doesn't have the power behind him to put up any kind of opposition.  He'll be fighting people who want to live in a perceived utopia, AKA: DC and Portland/Seattle and college grads.

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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2023, 09:03:41 AM »
There's been a few sightings over the last 20 years in the North Cascades by some "in my opinion" credible sources.

The main problem with this attempted reintroduction is the lack of habitat and food they require. Hence the reason they're so scarce there these days in the first place.

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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2023, 09:07:36 AM »
There's been a few sightings over the last 20 years in the North Cascades by some "in my opinion" credible sources.

The main problem with this attempted reintroduction is the lack of habitat and food they require. Hence the reason they're so scarce there these days in the first place.

I agree!!
I think the habitat is there, but no sufficient food source.

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Re: Thanks Biden
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2023, 09:29:03 AM »
Topics are merged and under bear hunting for now. Try to keep this on topic and not get too political.
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