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looking at the guts..
« on: November 19, 2007, 02:04:53 PM »
looking around i found this post and it made me want to look into the quality of the shot in the shells i use. 

I think hevi-shot is crap. A few years ago I was chatting with a guy at my local shop where I bought my Beneli and mentioned using hevi shot. He cut open a shell and it was appalling. The shot varied from size 4 to 9 (in a size 6 shell) and some of the pellets looked like retarded snowmen. Very few were round and many had burrs or bumps on them. Ge said he had seena couple scratched barrels from the stuff. I went home and cut open a couple of my own shells and it was the same so I stopped using it. I have heard Remington has improved the production but I hzve never gone back. I use Bismuth from time to time and want to check out Federals new Black Cloud but mostly use steel as it is most cost effective and doesn't seem to reduce my kill ratio.

the first pic is 3 inch size 4 black cloud. the premium steel(shiny stuff) was amazingly uniform and clean.the flight stopper steel was also very cleanly cast

second pic is the cheaper stuff i use. 3 inch size 4 winchester expert high velocity. not too bad. a dimple here and there with a little size difference but not much.

third pic is flightstopper on the left. premium steel in the center. winchester on the right

you guys ever check in on your shot.







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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 04:46:36 PM »
I don't.  I pattern a load I'll be using, then I let field experience tell me if it is performing as good as I want it too.
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 06:01:22 PM »
I don't.  I pattern a load I'll be using, then I let field experience tell me if it is performing as good as I want it too.



if you have patterned your gun at 40 yards and it patterns good, why bother tearing apart those shells and worrying about the shape of the BB's?? especially when those shells are like the price of gold...just my .02.
if you're killing birds where you should be, why worry...
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2007, 09:53:13 PM »
i was just wonderin cuz that guy said that misshapen shot had been scratching barrels
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2007, 10:53:19 PM »
I thought, and don't take this as gospel because somebody may know for sure and it could be different, that today's shot cups pretty much keep the shot fom touching the barrel.
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 09:00:55 AM »
I thought, and don't take this as gospel because somebody may know for sure and it could be different, that today's shot cups pretty much keep the shot fom touching the barrel.

yeah. thats why i wonder why we cant just use whatever choke we want as well.
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 09:40:01 AM »
I saw the same post yesterday doing some research on Kent FastSteel.

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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 09:44:12 AM »
I saw the same post yesterday doing some research on Kent FastSteel.

that shoots pretty good outta my nova.  i liked it over all.
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 09:46:29 AM »
That is what I have been shooting and like it. I just wish I could find it cheaper.

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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 09:48:20 AM »
shadowcat...check your pm's
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2007, 09:50:19 AM »
i like mixing my shells. i know my first shot is my best and the next is a little more rushed so i put the expencive shell first and something cheaper but still quality behind it. iv also heard of cheaper shells first for the close shots and more expencive ones next for the longer shot when the bird is flairing.
"Right now, I am thinking that If my grandmother was here, she would be lecturing me about how there are poor people in Africa, that would just love to have a Ruger, I would just say "Great, granny, lets just ship all the Rugers to Africa!"


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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2007, 09:53:53 AM »
I try to keep things the same so I am not having to remember what I have where in my gun and make adjustments to my effective range and missjudge the distance.

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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2007, 09:55:37 AM »
i guess consistensy is key.
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2007, 07:31:38 AM »
 :chuckle:
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Re: looking at the guts..
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2007, 11:29:35 AM »
I have started tearing my shells apart and counting the flakes of powder.  It's taking me quite a while,  but it's gotta be the reason I missed a duck the other day.  I'm also looking at my wads, to make sure they are all the same EXACT shade of white... I swear those ducks see them coming if they are not pure white.  I'll keep you guys posted!

my black cloud has black wads. you really think they'll dodge em on just that?
"Right now, I am thinking that If my grandmother was here, she would be lecturing me about how there are poor people in Africa, that would just love to have a Ruger, I would just say "Great, granny, lets just ship all the Rugers to Africa!"


Loving life in the Great Northwest one day at a time.

It sounds like it's time to get a new gun.

 


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