Are all Christensen Arms rifles junk now?

[mountainman]

Do you have one of these $400 rifles? I sure would like to see one in action.

Same here!!

That shoots better than 1”? That don’t keyhole and send random flyers? 
Doesn’t seem like it would be too difficult to accomplish.
How many Ruger Americans or Savage 110’s would you like me to stack up?

factory loads? Not all are accurate, most unacceptably inaccurate. He didn’t clarify. And key holing is a mis-match of either load, rifling. And twist. Probably a combo of all three…

[jackelope]

Do you have one of these $400 rifles? I sure would like to see one in action.

Same here!!

That shoots better than 1”? That don’t keyhole and send random flyers? 
Doesn’t seem like it would be too difficult to accomplish.
How many Ruger Americans or Savage 110’s would you like me to stack up?

factory loads? Not all are accurate, most unacceptably inaccurate. He didn’t clarify. And key holing is a mis-match of either load, rifling. And twist. Probably a combo of all three…

Factory loads in a $400 rifle. Some of them shoot amazingly well. Based on feedback I’ve seen here and in lots of other places, I’d wager that most Ruger Americans shoot shockingly well, especially for a cheap rifle. I wouldn’t buy a rifle anymore just based on a 1 Moa guarantee because most of them do it these days. They don’t have to be cool guy custom rifles anymore. And I just bought a rifle that cost a lot more than $400….

[jrebel]

$1,000 savage 7 shot ladder load test with 5 grains difference in powder charge from high to low.  (See group below). This was a 300wsm.

The savage 110long range hunter 338 lapua would be hard to beat for the money.  Trying to find my target pics for the lapua. 

[hunter399]

Ya I guess when I posted
The savage 110 is a base model.
Not really a budget rifle.
Savage budget rifle would be the axis.

Even the axis model shoots pretty well for the money.
Believe Cabela's is doing there black Friday deal on them again.
For whatever they have in stock.

[Bareback]

Do you have one of these $400 rifles? I sure would like to see one in action.

Same here!!

That shoots better than 1”? That don’t keyhole and send random flyers? 
Doesn’t seem like it would be too difficult to accomplish.
How many Ruger Americans or Savage 110’s would you like me to stack up?

One would be adequate. 9 rounds, three targets @ 100, 200, 300 yrds. If it is truely a 1 MOA rifle I would make the best crow soup anyone has eaten.

[Mtnwalker]

Do you have one of these $400 rifles? I sure would like to see one in action.

Same here!!

That shoots better than 1”? That don’t keyhole and send random flyers? 
Doesn’t seem like it would be too difficult to accomplish.
How many Ruger Americans or Savage 110’s would you like me to stack up?

One would be adequate. 9 rounds, three targets @ 100, 200, 300 yrds. If it is truely a 1 MOA rifle I would make the best crow soup anyone has eaten.

If it’s truly an MOA rifle then no need to mess around at different distances. A 5 shot group is pretty black and white, and moa is moa

[Karl Blanchard]

Do you have one of these $400 rifles? I sure would like to see one in action.

Same here!!

That shoots better than 1”? That don’t keyhole and send random flyers? 
Doesn’t seem like it would be too difficult to accomplish.
How many Ruger Americans or Savage 110’s would you like me to stack up?

One would be adequate. 9 rounds, three targets @ 100, 200, 300 yrds. If it is truely a 1 MOA rifle I would make the best crow soup anyone has eaten.

If it’s truly an MOA rifle then no need to mess around at different distances. A 5 shot group is pretty black and white, and moa is moa

That's the thing, a 5 shot group isn't big enough to establish the true accuracy of a rifle. Shoot 2, 5 shot groups and overlay them. I'll bet money those 10 shots add up to more than an moa. Simple fact is, everyone's quarter or half minute rifles are more like 1-1.5 moa when you fire enough shots to establish what that rifles true accuracy is.

[Karl Blanchard]

Shorter distances you'd probably never notice it but you get out past 500 yards and it's a big deal. Ever shoot long and can't explain those misses? Dancing all around the plate? Poor inputs equals poor outputs. Zero off 7+ shot group and so much of that goes away.

Food for thought.

[jrebel]

Do you have one of these $400 rifles? I sure would like to see one in action.

Same here!!

That shoots better than 1”? That don’t keyhole and send random flyers? 
Doesn’t seem like it would be too difficult to accomplish.
How many Ruger Americans or Savage 110’s would you like me to stack up?

One would be adequate. 9 rounds, three targets @ 100, 200, 300 yrds. If it is truely a 1 MOA rifle I would make the best crow soup anyone has eaten.

If it’s truly an MOA rifle then no need to mess around at different distances. A 5 shot group is pretty black and white, and moa is moa

That's the thing, a 5 shot group isn't big enough to establish the true accuracy of a rifle. Shoot 2, 5 shot groups and overlay them. I'll bet money those 10 shots add up to more than an moa. Simple fact is, everyone's quarter or half minute rifles are more like 1-1.5 moa when you fire enough shots to establish what that rifles true accuracy is.

I think your are accounting for the human error in that example.  Most people can't shoot MOA.....even if their rifles can.  I have good days and bad days at the range, that doesn't mean the rifle is not an MOA or better rifle.  Shoot 4 or 5 3-5 round groups and take the average of each group....that's the way I do it.  When I'm having a bad day, I know it....and can't really blame the rifle. 

[Karl Blanchard]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QwumAGRmz2I

[jackelope]

Shorter distances you'd probably never notice it but you get out past 500 yards and it's a big deal. Ever shoot long and can't explain those misses? Dancing all around the plate? Poor inputs equals poor outputs. Zero off 7+ shot group and so much of that goes away.

Food for thought.

My comment was based on lots of inexpensive rifles that shoot shockingly well at 100 yards for the price. Maybe $400 isn't a legit number, but $500 is. I'm not making any hallucinogenic comments about $400 rifles shooting 2.5moa at 500 yards from whichever yay-hoo is sitting behind the rifle.

[Karl Blanchard]

Shorter distances you'd probably never notice it but you get out past 500 yards and it's a big deal. Ever shoot long and can't explain those misses? Dancing all around the plate? Poor inputs equals poor outputs. Zero off 7+ shot group and so much of that goes away.

Food for thought.

My comment was based on lots of inexpensive rifles that shoot shockingly well at 100 yards for the price. Maybe $400 isn't a legit number, but $500 is. I'm not making any hallucinogenic comments about $400 rifles shooting 2.5moa at 500 yards from whichever yay-hoo is sitting behind the rifle.

I completely agree.  I've owned multiple sub $400 (ruger american) rifles that are legit moa rifles. I've shot them to 1,000 yards plus countless times.

[Stein]

If anyone's interested in a bet and the bar is under a 2 MOA 10 shot group that doesn't keyhole, I have 2 sub $500 rifles up for the challenge.     In fact I have one target already done sitting next to me, 1.57" horizontal, 0.56" vertical 1.55 MOA in windy conditions I bet I could sneak comfortably under 1" if I went on a calm day.  Savage Axis, $329.99 on sale with factory ammo.

10 shot 1" group is fairly tough for me, it has to be a good shooting gun with complimentary ammo, calm conditions and consistent shooting.  3 shot under 1" is much easier, conditions are much more likely to be the same, barrel won't heat much, shooter won't tire, odds of a flyer drop dramatically, etc.

[Bareback]

If anyone's interested in a bet and the bar is under a 2 MOA 10 shot group that doesn't keyhole, I have 2 sub $500 rifles up for the challenge.     In fact I have one target already done sitting next to me, 1.57" horizontal, 0.56" vertical 1.55 MOA in windy conditions I bet I could sneak comfortably under 1" if I went on a calm day.  Savage Axis, $329.99 on sale with factory ammo.

10 shot 1" group is fairly tough for me, it has to be a good shooting gun with complimentary ammo, calm conditions and consistent shooting.  3 shot under 1" is much easier, conditions are much more likely to be the same, barrel won't heat much, shooter won't tire, odds of a flyer drop dramatically, etc.

10 shots in a 2.094" circle with a budget rifle? I’d like to see that, it would be worth the price of admission. We can DM to work out details. 👍

[Stein]

Top left group is the 10 shot, other two groups were different ammo I was testing, 5 shot groups.  I'm fairly certain I got some wind drift there, app showed 0.7" for 10 mph full crosswind (I held center with no adjustments) which seems about right.

I allowed 2 minutes between shots as the factory pencil barrel heats up pretty quick.