What would you do?

[Humptulips]

Most of the suggestions fall into one of two categories, limit hunter opportunity or do something about predators which everyone seems to agree won't happen.
That seems to be exactly the prescription the anti-hunters are giving us to swallow.

[hunter399]

Most of the suggestions fall into one of two categories, limit hunter opportunity or do something about predators which everyone seems to agree won't happen.
That seems to be exactly the prescription the anti-hunters are giving us to swallow.

I agree , predator hunting will only get less opportunities.
Limited hunter opportunities I believe can be effective,with the right regulations. I believe APR  can be an effective tool ,that will allow us to even extend our season,stay OTC tags,keep all hunters in field with traditional seasons or even longer seasons. Exception can be made for youth , disabled,65 over and other user groups such as archery and what not.

When an APR is applied,harvest rates should go down. Which should allow for longer seasons. Which gives us more quality hunts.
Less pumpkin patch. Overall better experience.

[kball4]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned opening up big private timber land for public use or remove all the tax breaks they receive.  Even if it was $10 for a land use permit but you had no time frame to use it and no max permits issued. 

[baldopepper]

As I read  these posts I've gotten more curious about the numbers used for deer management decisions.   Kinda decided to look at it like figuring a household buget.  Using wdfw numbers and results of other studies here's kinda what I see
Income: 241 000 (estimated deer population)
Expenditures:
Lions: 120,000 (randomly lowered considering 3600 population
                            may have non hunting cubs)
Bears; 50000 (using a low 2 kills/yr and low population estimate
                          of 25000 bears))
Coyotes: 50000 (using a population estimate of 50000 and a conservative
                             estimate of 1 kill per year)
Wolves: 21000(using a population estimate of 216  and low statistical studies
                            estimating 10 kills per year
Hunters: 21000 (using wdfw results reporting)
Road Kill : 10,000 (no hard statistic so using what Ifeel.is a conservative number)
Misc: 10000 ( various diseases like blue tongue and other natural causes. Honestly
                        Just a best guess)
By my figures that's spendimg.about 40000.more than we have as income.seems the only expenditure we wanna change is the hunter expenditure. Obviously no emergency funds for an expenditure like a hard winter or cwd outbreak.
To me. If I were in charge. I'd demand changes that gave me better numbers.
Obviously these numbers can't be correct. But it would appear these are close to the numbers they'd have to use in their decision making.

[Bob33]

Most of the suggestions fall into one of two categories, limit hunter opportunity or do something about predators which everyone seems to agree won't happen.
That seems to be exactly the prescription the anti-hunters are giving us to swallow.

Hunters report kills of 20,000. Using very conservative numbers predators kill 100,000. The solution is to restrict hunting opportunities. So now the 3% of population that hunts declines further. Hunting license revenues drop. Pittman Robertson funds drop. In return 10,000 fewer deer are harvested by hunters.

Is that a good solution?

[Pacific Ghost]

Make Blacktail 3pt min, except any buck for youth. Or even 2pt min. We obviously don't have the same issues with BT as we are currently seeing with MD and WT, but I do think an APR might be a welcome change.

To help MD and WT we just need to convert everything on the east side to thick stands of reprod, vine maple, devil's club, blackberry and salal. 

[hunter399]

This topic has a lot of talk about predators killing ungulates.
I'm gonna say that car collision kills about the same amount of ungulates as predators do.

Just a guess though.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned opening up big private timber land for public use or remove all the tax breaks they receive.  Even if it was $10 for a land use permit but you had no time frame to use it and no max permits issued.

Or, land is either open to public hunting, or it isn't open to hunting at all.  Radical, I know.  Could possibly come with an acreage restriction.

[logola512c]

Seems like a common theme, but I think it's all about predator management.  And since I like bear hunting the most, it would be awesome if hunters could get extra points or special tags for harvesting predators...

[baldopepper]

This topic has a lot of talk about predators killing ungulates.
I'm gonna say that car collision kills about the same amount of ungulates as predators do.

Just a guess though.
[/quote
WSDOT says a.minimum of 5000/yr based upon department clean ups and  collision reports Hard to guess an actual amount  but  I've used an arbitrary doubled figure of 10,000.

[hunter399]

This topic has a lot of talk about predators killing ungulates.
I'm gonna say that car collision kills about the same amount of ungulates as predators do.

Just a guess though.
[/quote
WSDOT says a.minimum of 5000/yr based upon department clean ups and  collision reports Hard to guess an actual amount  but  I've used an arbitrary doubled figure of 10,000.

Ya that predator/prey study was worthless.
Biggest fawn mortality was always "unknown"
I believe car collision was next on list.
I was also surprised that stuck in a fence was even a factor of fawn mortality.

[ChefWoodrough]

Zero antlerless harvest! Zero.  Would be my first step.   

Spring bear, remove quota on cats, allow trapping, hound hunting.

Regulate tribal hunting

Stop late hunts for now

^^^

[bigmacc]

1–More aggressive predator control/management

2–More aggressive predator control/management

3–be honest about predator numbers and their impact on herd numbers then implement numbers 1 and 2 immediately.

[PNWheckle]

If the current predator rules and seasons stayed the same, I would suggest more education on how to be successful at predator hunting, maybe even some small incentives to those who tag out, like being entered into a drawing for bonus points toward quality hunts.

In a way this keeps the non hunters out of our hair as much as trying to get baiting or hounds back but could increase the likelihood of hunters focusing their time more on predator hunting for the incentive.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[PNWheckle]

My time off is already tied up a lot in deer and elk, and I just hope for a predator encounter while hunting ungulates. In general just more people in the woods focusing strictly on bear and cats could help the deer/elk population quite a bit,

And also rather than being secretive about these high population predator areas, share the info and make it easier on each other to fill our predator tags


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk