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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #75 on: October 22, 2019, 12:42:59 PM »
My comments are in. I took the route that the animals have left this area on their own so why are we trying to force them back into it. The area is largely free of human impact. The animals currently can access the area but are not choosing to occupy it in a significant manner.  The animals on their own have decided not to move in, so how is it a smart use of funds to relocate them into the area?

Unfortunately logic tends to not go to far these days.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2019, 09:02:20 PM »
My comment was short and to the point, please manage Bears with science and not emotion.

I find it ironic that the same wing nuts that preach science for climate change and other enviomental issues suddenly loose all reality when it comes to managing game!
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2019, 07:00:33 AM »
It’s against wa state law to transplant grizz in wa.
https://www.howlforwildlife.org/take_action  It takes 10 seconds and it’s free. To easy to make an excuse not to make your voice heard!!!!!!

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #78 on: November 10, 2019, 10:34:39 AM »
It’s against wa state law to transplant grizz in wa.
Federal preemption let's the feds do what they want even if state law forbids it.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #79 on: November 08, 2023, 10:40:12 AM »
They are at this again and taking public comment until Nov 13.

Alternative A is the "do nothing" alternative for those of you not interested in reading.

Sorry if there is a different thread on this, I searched and couldn't find a newer one.

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=112008&documentID=132104

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2023, 11:04:19 AM »
"The plan to transplant these apex predators into the Northern Cascades is unwise and contrary to the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. Grizzlies haven't been hunted in several decades and there are grizzly bears to the north in BC. Why haven't they repopulated on their own with no hunting pressure? Because the habitat will no longer support them. Your proposal not only endangers the animals you seek to "protect", but prioritizes these predators over other wildlife AND human beings in the area. If there were a void, nature would fill it. Stop playing God and return to practicing sound scientific wildlife management. Do not transplant grizzlies into the Northern Cascades."
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2023, 11:10:19 AM »
They are at this again and taking public comment until Nov 13.

Alternative A is the "do nothing" alternative for those of you not interested in reading.

Sorry if there is a different thread on this, I searched and couldn't find a newer one.

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=112008&documentID=132104

Good call. Comment submitted

I support Alternative A- no action. Competition for already struggling food sources from cougars and an increasing wolf population will quickly drive grizzlies out of this core habitat zone and into areas with too much human conflict.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2023, 11:20:07 AM by Mtnwalker »

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2023, 11:31:40 AM »
They are at this again and taking public comment until Nov 13.

Alternative A is the "do nothing" alternative for those of you not interested in reading.

Sorry if there is a different thread on this, I searched and couldn't find a newer one.

https://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=327&projectID=112008&documentID=132104

I posted a thread about this last month I think: https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,281880.msg3836647.html#msg3836647

Just FYI Convervation NW and a couple other Anti-orgs have this set up like a Howl.org email going out for support of Alternative B or C. So get your comments in for Alternative A and get your buddies to too.

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2023, 11:35:40 AM »
"The plan to transplant these apex predators into the Northern Cascades is unwise and contrary to the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. Grizzlies haven't been hunted in several decades and there are grizzly bears to the north in BC. Why haven't they repopulated on their own with no hunting pressure? Because the habitat will no longer support them. Your proposal not only endangers the animals you seek to "protect", but prioritizes these predators over other wildlife AND human beings in the area. If there were a void, nature would fill it. Stop playing God and return to practicing sound scientific wildlife management. Do not transplant grizzlies into the Northern Cascades."

Well said, much more eloquent than my comment  :chuckle:

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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2023, 02:04:27 PM »
"The plan to transplant these apex predators into the Northern Cascades is unwise and contrary to the North American Wildlife Conservation Model. Grizzlies haven't been hunted in several decades and there are grizzly bears to the north in BC. Why haven't they repopulated on their own with no hunting pressure? Because the habitat will no longer support them. Your proposal not only endangers the animals you seek to "protect", but prioritizes these predators over other wildlife AND human beings in the area. If there were a void, nature would fill it. Stop playing God and return to practicing sound scientific wildlife management. Do not transplant grizzlies into the Northern Cascades."

Well said, much more eloquent than my comment  :chuckle:

I did eliminate some less-than-eloquent verbiage!!!  :chuckle:
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #86 on: November 11, 2023, 08:26:35 AM »
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Please allow nature to take it's course, if grizzlies are meant to be in the cascades they will migrate from British Columbia, look at the bear attacks happening in the rocky mountain region, it's a serious mistake to be transplanting apex carnivores so close to large human population centers, this will result in many people being put in harms way!
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #87 on: November 11, 2023, 09:39:18 AM »
Wow they really won't let up, will they?  Almost as if they are trying to create an excuse to not need Human Hunters paying their own way through life.

   I support Alternative A. I am in and using North Cascades National Park an average of 3 times a month, year round. I also use the neighboring National Forest lands frequently.

--------In the main body area here I used Pianoman's words. Thanks!------------

Let this one go. Why are you pushing it so hard?

Reintoduce Wolves in Washington, D.C.

Reintroduce Cougars in New York City.

Reintroduce Bears in Chicago.

Reintroduce the plain and simple idea to stop Human meddling in Nature's affairs. There was an old fable about this, starts small and then they ended up sending in the Elephants. But what will crop the Elephants?

Stick your nose back into your own backyard and feed some squirrels if that's what will help you sleep better at night. We have plenty of Black Bears in the North Cascades.

     

                        Also, above the comment section but below the address boxes I entered Mule Deer Foundation. Same as the last go around. My main concern is whether that hurts or helps. Why are they asking what Organization I belong to and support?   
      This has been getting talked about on the radio on the wetside, Kiro and Komo. They won't quit until the deer and elk are decimated. Thanks for the updates.
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Re: Open comment period for grizzly bear introduction
« Reply #88 on: November 16, 2023, 01:20:03 PM »
For your reading pleasure OR Dis-pleasure!!  I miss the valley, BUT not the newbies!

https://methowvalleynews.com/2023/11/09/grizzly-restoration-plan-elicits-strong-opinions/
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