Colorado release

[dvolmer]

Geezus. What do they say about those who forget history?  I’ve said it a 1000 times you cannot introduce an Apex predator into an establish ecosystem and expect it to work. Idiots

These liberal ding-a-lings would re-introduce T-Rex dinosaurs if they could.

[fowl smacker]

SHOOT - SHOVEL - SHUT UP

I've been told 1 step better by a game warden in a state that I'll leave anonymous.   SHOOT & SHUT UP!  Don't approach it, don't bury it, don't take it unless you bought a tag.

[bearpaw]

   Typical voters are mindless drones voting party lines or feelings.

   I prefer things the way they were pre wolf. I am also open minded enough to understand I have a selfish view on their impact to game populations. However, its not the wolf  as the creature I hate. Its the complete disregard of their impact on the landscape by the majority of wolf re introduction stakeholders, and failure to acknowledge that human impact and consumption MUST be factored into their numbers and management strategies. Wolves are back. Shoot on site and trapping will no longer  hurt their populations. As long as the strychnine stays locked up, they will be healthy and happy. Quit moving them. Start hunting them.

   

  well said. The fact that Colorado voted to "reintroduce" wolves when they already had them is sickening. They used the same talking points to sell voters on the idea they used in Idaho over 30 years ago. Of course we never got to vote on it in Idaho. they just used the talking points to assure everyone everything would be great 😂i

  It's hard to believe how foolish people can be after seeing what has happened where wolves have over populated in other states. Many of us predicted exactly what has happened in Idaho and Washington. There were of course the people who supported wolves on this forum, I don't see them commenting much anymore as its easy to see they were wrong, and they now know it too!

Colorado will be no different than Washington (no management due to the state of liberal politics in CO), in fact with the robust elk herds and remote areas in CO the wolves over population will be even more significant than in other western states, in 10 years you will begin to see a total collapse of Colorado's herds in areas where the wolves take off the best. In 20 years wolves will be prevalent in most remote areas that had good herd numbers and most of the remaining elk will move to human populated areas trying to survive. Sad to see! 

[nwwanderer]

It will be a great test site, population close to elk herds, what a mess.  Cheyenne Mountain zoo with parvo, distemper and mange mites

[haus]

It would be interesting to hear what the typical voter says was their reasoning for voting to reintroduce the wolves was. Was it hoping to see a wolf in the wild, anti hunting, other states have them?, etc. Were voters just naïve to to the ramifications of reintroductions. I never heard how the wolf loving groups encouraged the passage of the initiative to the voters. All  can say is be careful what you wish for. Colorado has/had the highest population of elk of all the states and that will come to an end.

It was carried by Boulder and Denver, basically their metro area. The info about the existing pack was completely ignored by the media of course. Most voters I talked to that voted yes were largely unaware and ill informed.

[jstone]

The voters live in the cities.

[Bob33]

https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/12/26/cat-urbigkit-the-botched-optics-of-colorados-wolf-release/

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Two of the wolves came from the Five Points pack that racked up three confirmed calf depredations, four of the wolves came from the Noregaard pack that had one confirmed kill and one possible kill in June, one wolf came from the Desolation pack that was confirmed to have killed two young calves, and two wolves came from the Wenaha pack that had confirmed kills in September and October. One wolf released into Colorado come from a wolf pack that wasn’t confirmed as being involved in livestock depredations in 2023, and that’s because she wasn’t listed as being from any pack.

In summary, Colorado released a total of 10 wolves – all but one from confirmed cattle-killing packs, according to information from Oregon wolf depredation records. What on earth could be wrong with that?

[boneaddict]

5 more by March 

[wolfbait]

Cow killers, reminds me of the wolf releases when WDFW bought the rest of the Golden Doe, first thing those wolves did was kill a cow and a new calf. The local game warden was the first guy on the scene, he said it was wolves, Fitkin looked around and found other tracks and said "it couldn't be his babies". There was a trail cam put over the cow, Fitkin got the card off the cam and wouldn't show it to anyone, but someone did see them he said it was full of wolves.

The USFWS and WDFW ran to the local paper and said "by the time we got there, the only thing left was hide and hipbones, the couple of pictures left on the cam proved that to be a lie. They never did mention the new calf that was on the cow, to the papers.

There's a pile more people on H-W that saw wolves being released in the Okanogan back in those days. And then there are stories by people who had no reason to lie that state the same.

At this point I don't see where it would make a difference, for many of us we know what happened and as to some of the pro-wolf crowd, they still try to sputter out any reference to any wolf releases by WDFW etc..

[huntnnw]

what I read yesterday those wolves released maybe in WY already  .. they were travelling 35 mi a day in a northwest direction and a helicopter was being used to haze them from leaving

[wolfbait]

what I read yesterday those wolves released maybe in WY already  .. they were travelling 35 mi a day in a northwest direction and a helicopter was being used to haze them from leaving

In the 60's, 70's and 80's the USFWS released wolves in different states, WA being one of the those states, what they discovered was that unless you penned the wolves or fed them those wolves just went back home. Kind of throws a monkey wrench in the claim that wolves migrated to WA etc.. Took a while to get them to see their lie, that wolves don't migrate, they actually eat their way into new hunting.   

[Loup Loup]

Yes. Wolves follow their mouths. This is why I say that now, after NE Wa is at, or close to wolf capacity, the majority of dispersing wolves are going to follow their mouths into productive hunting grounds. Idaho and BC.
If they go in a direction where they are not eating, ie west or south, they would probably change course until they got in game again. If it’s unclaimed suitable territory they may stay there.
With NE WA wolf density high. I doubt if there is much immigration in from Idaho or BC now.

[timberfaller]

HELLO, I am from the government, I am here to HELP you!

[bigmacc]

what I read yesterday those wolves released maybe in WY already  .. they were travelling 35 mi a day in a northwest direction and a helicopter was being used to haze them from leaving

In the 60's, 70's and 80's the USFWS released wolves in different states, WA being one of the those states, what they discovered was that unless you penned the wolves or fed them those wolves just went back home. Kind of throws a monkey wrench in the claim that wolves migrated to WA etc.. Took a while to get them to see their lie, that wolves don't migrate, they actually eat their way into new hunting.

Yep, once in the late 80,s and once in the early 90,s my dad and I seen wolves in the Methow, both instances were north of Twisp, one was north of Winthrop. Both times my dad (who seen hundreds of wolves in Alaska) confirmed they were wolves. One stared us down from about 30 yards and was much bigger than my 110lb lab that was cowering behind the truck when it walked onto the skid road. The other was walking along an open hillside at about 60-70 yards, one was pure black, one was dark grey, when we reported seeing the 1st one we were TOLD by a USFW guy who contacted us “that what we seen was a large coyote”. First, why was our sighting turned over to USFW for them to ask us questions, second, we were told the same thing a few years later by local Game fellas when we reported that one. Seems weird that the first one was turned over to feds to answer then when we reported the second one years later were giving the same “canned response”. If wolves were not being brought in then why the coyness and secrecy.

I too am one who believes wolves have bounced around in the Methow for eternity. Even with all the time my family has spent in the valley they had only seen a couple, those were back in the 40,s up by the Canadian border. Then nothing, my dad had never seen one until we seen the two I talked of. Were their numbers “bolstered”, “helped out” by humans? You bet I think they were. I believe there were more braught in and relocated to help establish numerous packs in the valley. No more wolves “passing through” or a pack “wandering through”, things began to change from nomadic sightings here and there to wanting “resident packs”. There was plenty of prey in that valley for decades upon decades, where were all the wolf packs then? You’d think that valley would have been ground zero for dozens of packs. Not just a random sighting every 10 or so years. Something doesn’t add up. We now have far less prey and more wolves. Secrecy and in some instances, flat out lies being told surrounding their existence and numbers. Yep, I believe they’ve bounced around the Methow here and there for a long time, I also believe they’ve been braught in and relocated to bolster numbers, this is where we’ve been lied to imho.


Just an add on……. Does anyone question why all the sudden (a decade or two now) wolves annd other predators are all the rage as far as “reintroduction” into areas they were basically null and void of. Places where they were spotted “moving through” here and there by experienced hunters and boots on the ground. Think about that, wolves are on the move for sure, some naturally, some with the help of humans, crates and trucks. Why? Ask yourself why predators in general are being protected and helped to expand their territory. Especially in democrat run states like Washington.

[wolfbait]

what I read yesterday those wolves released maybe in WY already  .. they were travelling 35 mi a day in a northwest direction and a helicopter was being used to haze them from leaving

In the 60's, 70's and 80's the USFWS released wolves in different states, WA being one of the those states, what they discovered was that unless you penned the wolves or fed them those wolves just went back home. Kind of throws a monkey wrench in the claim that wolves migrated to WA etc.. Took a while to get them to see their lie, that wolves don't migrate, they actually eat their way into new hunting.

Yep, once in the late 80,s and once in the early 90,s my dad and I seen wolves in the Methow, both instances were north of Twisp, one was north of Winthrop. Both times my dad (who seen hundreds of wolves in Alaska) confirmed they were wolves. One stared us down from about 30 yards and was much bigger than my 110lb lab that was cowering behind the truck when it walked onto the skid road. The other was walking along an open hillside at about 60-70 yards, one was pure black, one was dark grey, when we reported seeing the 1st one we were TOLD by a USFW guy who contacted us “that what we seen was a large coyote”. First, why was our sighting turned over to USFW for them to ask us questions, second, we were told the same thing a few years later by local Game fellas when we reported that one. Seems weird that the first one was turned over to feds to answer then when we reported the second one years later were giving the same “canned response”. If wolves were not being brought in then why the coyness and secrecy.

I too am one who believes wolves have bounced around in the Methow for eternity. Even with all the time my family has spent in the valley they had only seen a couple, those were back in the 40,s up by the Canadian border. Then nothing, my dad had never seen one until we seen the two I talked of. Were their numbers “bolstered”, “helped out” by humans? You bet I think they were. I believe there were more braught in and relocated to help establish numerous packs in the valley. No more wolves “passing through” or a pack “wandering through”, things began to change from nomadic sightings here and there to wanting “resident packs”. There was plenty of prey in that valley for decades upon decades, where were all the wolf packs then? You’d think that valley would have been ground zero for dozens of packs. Not just a random sighting every 10 or so years. Something doesn’t add up. We now have far less prey and more wolves. Secrecy and in some instances, flat out lies being told surrounding their existence and numbers. Yep, I believe they’ve bounced around the Methow here and there for a long time, I also believe they’ve been braught in and relocated to bolster numbers, this is where we’ve been lied to imho.


Just an add on……. Does anyone question why all the sudden (a decade or two now) wolves annd other predators are all the rage as far as “reintroduction” into areas they were basically null and void of. Places where they were spotted “moving through” here and there by experienced hunters and boots on the ground. Think about that, wolves are on the move for sure, some naturally, some with the help of humans, crates and trucks. Why? Ask yourself why predators in general are being protected and helped to expand their territory. Especially in democrat run states like Washington.

The USFWS illegally released wolves in the three states that would be hardest to push wolves on once the lies they had told were exposed when the wolves hit the ground. There is an agenda called the Wildlands project, and of course it is about moving people into cities and closing down much of the country to huge wildlife corridors. And Mac you know the damage that has already occurred in states run by democrats. Last spring a WDFW employee told me that they could tell the wetside anything they would be believed.

I saw my first wolf back in 74, huntin grouse up off of Poorman Cr, and up in Brown meadows in 79 we saw a pair. In the 80's we saw wolves up in the 8 Mile bottom, and in the 90's we actually found a den of pups while we were cruising a timber sale, and were promptly told to keep quiet. In the 70's a couple of us went into Lewis LK, going in we talk to a FS ranger who was coming out, we asked her about the wolves and she said they had been released but everything was done on the quiet side and no one was suppose to know about it.

Colorado won't be any different than the Yellowstone or Lolo elks herds, and my guess is the wolf pop will expand much the same as WA did as more wolves are dump into the ranching communities, these wolves will more than likely come from the same place that ID, MT and Wyoming wolves came from, I think it's a side show of getting them from Oregon etc., why would the USFWS change their wolf import program, they did just fine with all their other releases.

I don't think it will take 10 years to see the decimation to the elk in Colorado I give it 5-6 years and a lot of slaughter livestock just like other states. Maybe they will import a few biologist like fitkin that refuse to confirm livestock predation, to protect a bunch of cow killers or maybe they already have a bunch of their own. One thing is for sure, Colorado will be just like other states where wolves were released, deer, elk etc. will move into towns and herd up around homes, and down to the farmlands, and the pro-wolfers attached to CNW or some other fake environmental outfit will get on forums like H-W and blame habitat and everything else but wolves for the change.

Sad situation all the way around.

But I'm betting the pro-wolf crowd is happy as hell$$$$$$$