More special privileges

[kentrek]

This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?

[KFhunter]

This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?

No, it is not within our control other than who you vote for governor, who then appoints the comission members, who then screw us. 

Inslee has stacked the comission with special interest groups, Ferguson will do the same to pander for left/wet side votes while utterly ignoring the right/east side voters (and hunters of the whole state).   

[Tbar]

We all hunt for different reasons and different things motivate individuals, as well as different ceremonies. Many times the goal may be meat and meat only, others a variety of reasons. If it's meat I hope they are successful with the opportunity that presents itself.  Other times if selective harvest is an option I always encourage buck and bull preference.  Shut production down and it has a net negative on the desired outcome of future opportunity of a shared resource.

[trophyhunt]

Agree w KFhunter. There is a reason tribes want dems in control!

[biggbuck]

I was told the tribe will more then likely have this be a draw hunt for tribal members just like we do for bighorn sheep. I’m guessing cows and bulls will both be drawn. I like that idea plus it regulates who can go hunt and background checks will be performed and no tribal members who cannot posses a firearm will not be allowed to enter the drawing. Just for the haters info there were no vehicles out chasing the elk we have to stay on the roads and any animal harvested has to processed in the field so no off-road driving.

[kentrek]

This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?

No, it is not within our control other than who you vote for governor, who then appoints the comission members, who then screw us. 

Inslee has stacked the comission with special interest groups, Ferguson will do the same to pander for left/wet side votes while utterly ignoring the right/east side voters (and hunters of the whole state).

Idk squeaky wheels typically get greased, every year people vent frustrations on here but do nothing...has there been a continuous 24/7 protest in Olympia over getting a voice? Then it doesn't mean enough to guys.. managing ourselves seems much more feasible then managing tribes on things that have been set in stone a century ago.

Just thinking out loud, carry on 

[KFhunter]

This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?

No, it is not within our control other than who you vote for governor, who then appoints the comission members, who then screw us. 

Inslee has stacked the comission with special interest groups, Ferguson will do the same to pander for left/wet side votes while utterly ignoring the right/east side voters (and hunters of the whole state).

Idk squeaky wheels typically get greased, every year people vent frustrations on here but do nothing...has there been a continuous 24/7 protest in Olympia over getting a voice? Then it doesn't mean enough to guys.. managing ourselves seems much more feasible then managing tribes on things that have been set in stone a century ago.

Just thinking out loud, carry on 

the media is leftist
the state government is leftist




Hunters are law abiding, they seek permits to protest, and they don't fling poo at cops. 

You won't get noticed holding your little sign until BLM or Antifa come to shut you down then you won't shoot them as the cops will come protect them and shuffle you out. 

[Tbar]

This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?

@kentrek
Not a bad idea. It would be great for more to get involved with desired outcomes when it comes to conservation.  Instead of investing time where they could influence change many take a passive aggressive or at times a straight aggressive keyboard jockey role on here.  Same time invested into set processes could possibly make a difference.  That said the current wdfw commission takes a lot of wind out of sails.

[trophyhunt]

This might be off topic, but why do we make these areas with heavy tribal harvest sanctuaries? I understand there is more to it but dang I can't help but think we could change quotas and stop guys from burning 20 pt tags in a otc area for a tribe. Why are we saving these animals just to be killed later via native harvest or predators if it was a 5 point unit I can't help but think there would be alil less animosity among the two groups.. isn't this in our control? To vote for a more opportunity vs trophy management style ?

@kentrek
Not a bad idea. It would be great for more to get involved with desired outcomes when it comes to conservation.  Instead of investing time where they could influence change many take a passive aggressive or at times a straight aggressive keyboard jockey role on here.  Same time invested into set processes could possibly make a difference.  That said the current wdfw commission takes a lot of wind out of sails.

you really have no right to criticize for peeps on here getting aggressive, you are on a side that gets to set the rules, and have far less rules than the majority.  You are smart enough to know that conservation and yakamas are NOT possible with zero limits and elders that don’t enforce tribal rules when it comes to selling meat.  You say a lot of intelligent things, but if it came down to making it even across the board, how would you vote?

[Bearrunner96]

The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.

lol

how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to others

[trophyhunt]

The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.

lol

how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to others

he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse. 

[elkrack]

Scary part is Jerry that in a few years the tribes will be the only hunters legally hunting in Washington state! Take that to the bank

We might not agree with their treaty rights but we would be way better off trying to find common ground with the tribes. 

[Dan-o]

The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.

lol

how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to others

he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.

Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:

Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.

Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.

And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez?   Really?

Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.


And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it.   Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.

[kentrek]

There's 28k members on hunt wa, a simple 3.00 donation from each member would buy the very best sheep hunt in North America... 6 hour shifts in Olympia to get a voice gets you a ticket towards the sheep hunt...something tells me we'd be heard..once heard we can begin to solve

[Platensek-po]

The beat way to stop or change this bs is to make it public and call your representatives. They try to make it seem like our voice doesn't matter but when enough of us step up and say something that is when change can potentially happen. Dan newhouse had commented on this issue stating that the mountain should be open to all public not just one party.
This is a true slaughter of this heard and if it's not stopped or changed there won't be a herd to manage, especially the way the tribes treat all the other populations. I've talked to several indians that get excited just seeing a track on the res. I personally have called and emailed representatives. Will it help just me calling? Probably not, but it is the best way to try and change this slaughter. If anything make it permit Or a lottery and the state would make a ton of money from this instead of the tribe driving all over an ecological preserve damaging vegetation.

lol

how is it funny? Your ancestors would shake there heads at how disrespectful you are. I know mine would if I did the same thing you are doing to others

he’s a troll, just shows up to show off his 400” colokum bull and poke fun when we are frustrated with more native abuse.

Or maybe he reads about offroading causing damage and wiping out the herd, and wonders what I wonder:

Do you have any proof at all That they are doing damage by offroading on areas they are not supposed to drive?
I heard that they stayed on road and butchered in the field, but what do I know.

Do you have any idea at all how many elk were taken?
I'm curious why Bearrunner96 calls it a slaughter, and claims the herd will be wiped out.
Actual data would be good.

And getting excited over seeing an elk track on the rez?   Really?

Maybe, just maybe, his LOL was in exasperation at made up assertions.


And for the record, I want to hunt there as much as anyone.
Treaty Rights always bring out emotion, and I get it.   Me too.
I don't love the whole messy situation.
But those treaty Rights were negotiated with our government.
And throwing out hearsay doesn't help.

Well said.