SB 5846 Concerning beaver ecosystem management

[Humptulips]

Prefiled  https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5846&year=2024

While this bill doesn't outlaw beaver trapping it looks to me like it will create a bureaucracy in the agency that will make it more difficult to remove problem beavers. It also creates a mandate for the agency to fund through a grant program these relocations. It is an unfunded mandate for the Department and they are always complaining about lack of funding.

[JakeLand]

This state is unbelievable

[Humptulips]

I will just add I have been in talks with the Department and beaver relocators and we have come to understandings on mutually acceptable conditions. This bill makes all those talks irrelevant.

[Platensek-po]

Prefiled  https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5846&year=2024

While this bill doesn't outlaw beaver trapping it looks to me like it will create a bureaucracy in the agency that will make it more difficult to remove problem beavers. It also creates a mandate for the agency to fund through a grant program these relocations. It is an unfunded mandate for the Department and they are always complaining about lack of funding.

I’m sorry but I can’t see anything about the contents of the bill. Could you explain or share more info about it? I want to write my reps but would like some more info. Thanks!

[hughjorgan]

Prefiled  https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5846&year=2024

While this bill doesn't outlaw beaver trapping it looks to me like it will create a bureaucracy in the agency that will make it more difficult to remove problem beavers. It also creates a mandate for the agency to fund through a grant program these relocations. It is an unfunded mandate for the Department and they are always complaining about lack of funding.

I’m sorry but I can’t see anything about the contents of the bill. Could you explain or share more info about it? I want to write my reps but would like some more info. Thanks!

https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2023-24/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5846.pdf?q=20240104165322

[Humptulips]

Prefiled  https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?billnumber=5846&year=2024

While this bill doesn't outlaw beaver trapping it looks to me like it will create a bureaucracy in the agency that will make it more difficult to remove problem beavers. It also creates a mandate for the agency to fund through a grant program these relocations. It is an unfunded mandate for the Department and they are always complaining about lack of funding.

I’m sorry but I can’t see anything about the contents of the bill. Could you explain or share more info about it? I want to write my reps but would like some more info. Thanks!

On the Legislatures Bill page I linked drop down to available documents and click on Original Bill. It will show you the text of the Bill.

[lewy]

More difficult!? Looks like this will just be another one of those things that will happen and the state wont know about. Sorry but problem beavers arent something that can just be ignored lol

[bugs n bones]

This state is unbelievable

effn retarded

[JakeLand]

The more I think about this the more it pisses me off that after she was at our rendezvous and listened to us and we listened to her they pull this crap ! I’ve had enough of this with them we need to put a firm stance on them and refuse to help them in every way possible

[Humptulips]

The more I think about this the more it pisses me off that after she was at our rendezvous and listened to us and we listened to her they pull this crap ! I’ve had enough of this with them we need to put a firm stance on them and refuse to help them in every way possible

I think you should reconsider who you are mad at. Shawn delt with me in good faith when we were talking about the program. She didn't have to come to the Rendezvous to convince us of anything if the Department was going to go to the Legislature. Nope, this is not coming from the Department. In fact, if this passes, from a fiscal note this will create problems for the department, I think.
This is likely coming from the relocators.

[Platensek-po]

The more I think about this the more it pisses me off that after she was at our rendezvous and listened to us and we listened to her they pull this crap ! I’ve had enough of this with them we need to put a firm stance on them and refuse to help them in every way possible

I think you should reconsider who you are mad at. Shawn delt with me in good faith when we were talking about the program. She didn't have to come to the Rendezvous to convince us of anything if the Department was going to go to the Legislature. Nope, this is not coming from the Department. In fact, if this passes, from a fiscal note this will create problems for the department, I think.
This is likely coming from the relocators.

I read most of the bill. I’m sorry but I think this is very likely to pass. It’s just vague and good sounding enough that I think it will be hard for congresspeople to vote against it. If anyone is willing to write up why this should not be passed I will gladly send and email to my reps. I’m not aware of any details of what’s going on but if I can help in any way I will.

[Humptulips]

The more I think about this the more it pisses me off that after she was at our rendezvous and listened to us and we listened to her they pull this crap ! I’ve had enough of this with them we need to put a firm stance on them and refuse to help them in every way possible

I think you should reconsider who you are mad at. Shawn delt with me in good faith when we were talking about the program. She didn't have to come to the Rendezvous to convince us of anything if the Department was going to go to the Legislature. Nope, this is not coming from the Department. In fact, if this passes, from a fiscal note this will create problems for the department, I think.
This is likely coming from the relocators.

I read most of the bill. I’m sorry but I think this is very likely to pass. It’s just vague and good sounding enough that I think it will be hard for congresspeople to vote against it. If anyone is willing to write up why this should not be passed I will gladly send and email to my reps. I’m not aware of any details of what’s going on but if I can help in any way I will.

IMO it is an open ended blackhole for funding. As written the funding comes out of the department and there seems to be no cap. FYI they burn through a lot of money moving these beaver around. To date though it has come from grants from other sources than the Department.

[UrbanTrapper]

This bill assumes there is a significant amount of beaver habitat that does not have beaver, in WA State.  WDFW knows this is not true.  Therefore there is no science supporting a NEED for this bill. Can we get WDFW to speak out about this fact ? Next, can we write a competing bill (or edit/amend this one so that it would merely allow beaver to be relocated into suitable unoccupied beaver habitat ONCE WDFW has located and designated some? In this way WDFW could control how much relocation activity they might be on the hook to fund. We should be able to collaborate on this with the responsible (i.e. non-emotional and non-ideological) adults in WDFW. 

[Okano-gun]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/pbc/bill/5846 Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I wrote my legislators in opposition.

[Humptulips]

I see they have a fiscal note now attached to the bill. They have an estimated cost in the first year of $150,000 and less than one full time person working on it. That ramps up to $3,896,000 and 3.6 persons working on it in a couple more years. It looks like they are creating a new permanent division within the Department that will just handle beaver complaints. Actual costs to the Department for that many people I'm guessing will be close to a million dollars so I'm guessing they foresee near $3 million going to beaver relocation. You can still comment on this to the Committe until the 16th. It looks like Van De Wege has got this on a fast track with this early of a Committee meeting. Our best bet to kill it though might be in the House when it goes there.