Pucker up huntwa!

[trophyhunt]

Theres actually three bucks in the pic obviously recent kills with hide on the heads.. Washington mule deer herds are in the tank and the units that used to produce trophy bucks when a guy could draw a tag after 20 plus years of applying are also a bust and this shows a big part of the reason/problem.  Sure its legal and a "Right" but its still a problem everyone has to side step around to not be called a racist.....I see no problem with the post I thought this site was to share info ....

[Platensek-po]

Just more proof of the jealousy that a lot of people have on this site. It’s really just that simple.

[pianoman9701]

Heck of a buck. Congratulations. 

[bearhunter99]

It's perplexing to me that folks will lament tribal harvest - and make statements or implications that we need to stop tribes from harvesting deer - to save the herds. Yet I never see those same folks call for curtailing harvest if it's a post or pic of a trophy buck/bull from a special permit, auction/raffle tag, general season tag or any of the other 20,000 deer killed by non-tribal hunters in this state.   

They have their rights, of which there is nothing we can do about it.  The issue is that there are a few who abuse the "right" and take more trophy animals than they "morally" should.  If it is about sustenance they should be taking the nice tender and tasty does, not taking out the mature buck populations.  I realize that non-natives poach also, but they don't glamorize it on social media and they don't sell elk and deer jerky and smoked salmon.....Profiting off the harvest is not "ceremonial" or "sustenance" to me.....

The other issue I have is the uncooperativeness of the tribes.  Even though I don't think our WDFW does a very bang up job at taking care of the animals, they don't get the harvest data from the tribes (from what I understand).  How can any state have a conservation model with no idea of the harvest numbers from a subset of the hunting and fishing population?

[idahohuntr]

Just more proof of the jealousy that a lot of people have on this site. It’s really just that simple.

That could be some of it, but if it were just jealousy, then I'd expect the same reaction when non-tribal members post harvest pics.

The hypocrisy is odd. 

Tribal harvest shown...  OMG...the herds are dying, this needs to stop.
Non-tribal harvest...nice animal, congrats.

If the folks freaking out over tribal harvest want to be serious, I'd like to see their proposals to cut non-tribal harvest 'to save the herds'. 

[pianoman9701]

Who says they're not using the meat from a trophy buck? Do you discard the meat from a trophy buck or bull? I hope not. Also, it is imperative to take mature bucks to ensure a varied gene pool. The tendency to jump on any tribal kill without background or personal knowledge of a problem is contrary to our hunting heritage and overall ethics. Are there wasteful hunters? Yes and a lot of them aren't tribal. We have enough attacks from non and anti-hunters without turning on ourselves. And the biggest problems we presently have in game management require that we stick together to face them.

[idahohuntr]

We have enough attacks from non and anti-hunters without turning on ourselves. And the biggest problems we presently have in game management require that we stick together to face them.

This.  x1000.

[Sneaky Squirrel]

Just more proof of the jealousy that a lot of people have on this site. It’s really just that simple.

That could be some of it, but if it were just jealousy, then I'd expect the same reaction when non-tribal members post harvest pics.

The hypocrisy is odd. 

Tribal harvest shown...  OMG...the herds are dying, this needs to stop.
Non-tribal harvest...nice animal, congrats.

If the folks freaking out over tribal harvest want to be serious, I'd like to see their proposals to cut non-tribal harvest 'to save the herds'.

To be fair idahohuntr, the non tribal special tags in the Yakima area has really dropped the last five years. One unit alone went from almost 60 special archery tags to single digits. That is a big reduction to "save the herds".

With that said and from my experience, there should be more tags offered in the Yakima area, the herds are doing alot better than WDFW think.

[Rainier10]

Was this buck shot on the reservation? The Facebook post is confusing to me.

Anyone know where this buck or the others in the photo were shot?

Were they shot on the reservation?

Were they shot in an area closed to non native harvest.

Were they shot in one of the special permit areas? If so would it have been better for them to roll up on December 5th during the special permit archery season and start blasting bucks?

[Sneaky Squirrel]

Was this buck shot on the reservation? The Facebook post is confusing to me.

Anyone know where this buck or the others in the photo were shot?

Were they shot on the reservation?

Were they shot in an area closed to non native harvest.

Were they shot in one of the special permit areas? If so would it have been better for them to roll up on December 5th during the special permit archery season and start blasting bucks?

Your asking questions that won't get answered. BUT i do believe the questions you are asking are good for everyone to see, especially the last one. I have had buddies with late season archery tags impacted by native harvest with rifles. They weren't wearing orange because of archery season and the shots were going right over there head..... Not a good situation.

[Platensek-po]

It's perplexing to me that folks will lament tribal harvest - and make statements or implications that we need to stop tribes from harvesting deer - to save the herds. Yet I never see those same folks call for curtailing harvest if it's a post or pic of a trophy buck/bull from a special permit, auction/raffle tag, general season tag or any of the other 20,000 deer killed by non-tribal hunters in this state.   

They have their rights, of which there is nothing we can do about it.  The issue is that there are a few who abuse the "right" and take more trophy animals than they "morally" should.  If it is about sustenance they should be taking the nice tender and tasty does, not taking out the mature buck populations.  I realize that non-natives poach also, but they don't glamorize it on social media and they don't sell elk and deer jerky and smoked salmon.....Profiting off the harvest is not "ceremonial" or "sustenance" to me.....

The other issue I have is the uncooperativeness of the tribes.  Even though I don't think our WDFW does a very bang up job at taking care of the animals, they don't get the harvest data from the tribes (from what I understand).  How can any state have a conservation model with no idea of the harvest numbers from a subset of the hunting and fishing population?

You do realize that a lot of poachers get caught precisely because they are glamorizing it on social media? Look at the 2 corrections officers in California. Caught poaching multiple trophy bucks and got a very slight slap on the wrist because they worked with the prosecuting office. The herd is struggling but you would prefer they take does??? What kind of logic is that?

https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/social-media-poachers-california/

[time2hunt]

It's perplexing to me that folks will lament tribal harvest - and make statements or implications that we need to stop tribes from harvesting deer - to save the herds. Yet I never see those same folks call for curtailing harvest if it's a post or pic of a trophy buck/bull from a special permit, auction/raffle tag, general season tag or any of the other 20,000 deer killed by non-tribal hunters in this state.   

They have their rights, of which there is nothing we can do about it.  The issue is that there are a few who abuse the "right" and take more trophy animals than they "morally" should.  If it is about sustenance they should be taking the nice tender and tasty does, not taking out the mature buck populations.  I realize that non-natives poach also, but they don't glamorize it on social media and they don't sell elk and deer jerky and smoked salmon.....Profiting off the harvest is not "ceremonial" or "sustenance" to me.....

The other issue I have is the uncooperativeness of the tribes.  Even though I don't think our WDFW does a very bang up job at taking care of the animals, they don't get the harvest data from the tribes (from what I understand).  How can any state have a conservation model with no idea of the harvest numbers from a subset of the hunting and fishing population?

Very well said


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[Rainier10]

Was this buck shot on the reservation? The Facebook post is confusing to me.

Anyone know where this buck or the others in the photo were shot?

Were they shot on the reservation?

Were they shot in an area closed to non native harvest.

Were they shot in one of the special permit areas? If so would it have been better for them to roll up on December 5th during the special permit archery season and start blasting bucks?

Your asking questions that won't get answered. BUT i do believe the questions you are asking are good for everyone to see, especially the last one. I have had buddies with late season archery tags impacted by native harvest with rifles. They weren't wearing orange because of archery season and the shots were going right over there head..... Not a good situation.

Exactly if this happened on the reservation should we really be complaining?

If this happened in an area that is open to special permits for non natives in December would everyone prefer they did it then during your hunt?

I’m just not sure what will make hunters happy.

[trophyhunt]

I find it comical that some members on here think getting along with, kissing butt or supporting the tribal hunts will actually help us all.  Do you really think the tribes give two chits what we think, at all?? You think if we all come together in a big group hug that they will all a sudden, give themselves limits, and cooperate with WDFW and give harvest numbers?  And I’m the one who being called stupid…

If these deer were shot on the real reservation, keep in mind, the natives idea of reservation land and actual reservation land may vary by a lot! Then I wouldn’t give a rats azz, wipe out the Rez for all I care.  But like someone said above, our permit numbers are dropping like rocks and going away, quality is crap anymore on some of our favorite units. It’s a chit sandwich, but I guess one thing you may get by kissing butt is a hunt w them. I don’t think I’ll get invited soon 😁

[Platensek-po]

I find it comical that some members on here think getting along with, kissing butt or supporting the tribal hunts will actually help us all.  Do you really think the tribes give two chits what we think, at all?? You think if we all come together in a big group hug that they will all a sudden, give themselves limits, and cooperate with WDFW and give harvest numbers?  And I’m the one who being called stupid…

If these deer were shot on the real reservation, keep in mind, the natives idea of reservation land and actual reservation land may vary by a lot! Then I wouldn’t give a rats azz, wipe out the Rez for all I care.  But like someone said above, our permit numbers are dropping like rocks and going away, quality is crap anymore on some of our favorite units. It’s a chit sandwich, but I guess one thing you may get by kissing butt is a hunt w them. I don’t think I’ll get invited soon 😁

What’s the point of these posts? To show how jealous you are? What are you hoping to gain or prove with these? How is this helping anything at all?? If you spent half as much as time lobbying wdfw and actually working towards helping deer herds and conservation as you do trolling Facebook for native pics then you might actually accomplish something positive for hunters. This is just another whining and complaining post.