Cubing points

[trophyhunt]

They should really make you pay for the tag to enter the drawings for OIL's , that would drop many apps, but again, they won't do anything that lowers their income. 

Agree.  It used to be that way in the early 90's here in WA.  Was a bit of a stretch to come up with the cash to cover the tag fee as a starving college student.  We have to prepay deer and elk to play the special permit game...  why not oil?  Except that I would be in $996 to apply for the big three as a resident.  That would be a nice interest free loan to the Dept.

Maybe the interest would help with the less money they'd collect from fewer application fee's??  Another idea that has been brought up a few times is making people choose between OIL's or deer, elk.  BOOM! 

[dagon]

I just used a random number selector 100 times choosing 100 numbers as the amount to pull. I got only got a few 5 digit numbers. Most were 6 digit or more. Pretty much got the same when I only had it pull 1 number.  I could not put infinity in as the top number so i just used 10 million. I don't know that I learned any thing by doing this. LOL 

[Pathfinder101]

They should really make you pay for the tag to enter the drawings for OIL's , that would drop many apps, but again, they won't do anything that lowers their income. 

Agree.  It used to be that way in the early 90's here in WA.  Was a bit of a stretch to come up with the cash to cover the tag fee as a starving college student.  We have to prepay deer and elk to play the special permit game...  why not oil?  Except that I would be in $996 to apply for the big three as a resident.  That would be a nice interest free loan to the Dept.

Wouldn't stop starving college students.  They have no problem going into credit card debt.   It's responsible adults that have trouble putting anything on a card that we can't pay off on the first of next month.   

[Karl Blanchard]

They should really make you pay for the tag to enter the drawings for OIL's , that would drop many apps, but again, they won't do anything that lowers their income.

you should have to front the money and you should only be allowed to apply for a single oil species as well.

[chukardogs]

Wow, I must have fallen asleep somewhere along the way. I thought that there were x amount of tags available and every person had however many points. Each point was given a number and then they were all tossed into a really big hat and someone started drawing. When they had drawn the number of available tags, they were done. What determines whether you have a low number or high number? I'm completely confused?

[Karl Blanchard]

Wow, I must have fallen asleep somewhere along the way. I thought that there were x amount of tags available and every person had however many points. Each point was given a number and then they were all tossed into a really big hat and someone started drawing. When they had drawn the number of available tags, they were done. What determines whether you have a low number or high number? I'm completely confused?

every "name in the hat" gets assigned a random number.  From there they start at the top of the list and look at that numbers hunt choices. Every hunt choice is considered before moving on to the next number down the list. Rinse and repeat until all permits are gone.

[carlyoungs]

Wow, I must have fallen asleep somewhere along the way. I thought that there were x amount of tags available and every person had however many points. Each point was given a number and then they were all tossed into a really big hat and someone started drawing. When they had drawn the number of available tags, they were done. What determines whether you have a low number or high number? I'm completely confused?

every "name in the hat" gets assigned a random number.  From there they start at the top of the list and look at that numbers hunt choices. Every hunt choice is considered before moving on to the next number down the list. Rinse and repeat until all permits are gone.

Don't they also put all weapon groups together when they draw?
Like when they do quality elk, all weapon groups get assigned a number and they go down the list on what is available. So the archery, muzzleloader and rifle hunters are mixed in the quality category and the lowest number starts first and goes from there?

[NOCK NOCK]

Since I have 18+ points in most categories, I like that they square points.
However, if I ever draw and have to start back at 0 the following year, I doubt I'll buy applications for that type of hunt again.
Even after 5 years of applying, you'd only have your name in the hat 25 times and would be up against hundreds of other hunters with 20+ points equalling 400+ entries each in the draw.
No thanks!

Points are simply nothing more than a revenue generator; whether you have 1 point or 10 you’re only getting one name in the hat. They square you points and give you a hundred different numbers they take that lowest number from that and that is your chance to draw. If the number is lower than everyone else’s then you draw that hunt. Numbers are based off 0-infinity and are completely random.

Hear this alot.   BUT, the more points you have, the more chances you have at getting a lower number put into the hat.....mathematically speaking, points do help.

With that being said, yea odds will always suck, and continue to worsen....Too many people, and too few critters

[WAcoueshunter]

Don't they also put all weapon groups together when they draw?
Like when they do quality elk, all weapon groups get assigned a number and they go down the list on what is available. So the archery, muzzleloader and rifle hunters are mixed in the quality category and the lowest number starts first and goes from there?

I don't think so because some of the hunt options are open to multiple weapon categories.  Pretty sure they just assign a number to everyone (regardless of east/west, or weapon choice), and then go down the list and see if a tag is still available for what you applied for when your number comes up. 

[carlyoungs]

That's what I was trying to say. Everyone is put in the pool at one time and they draw for the whole pool.

[Bullkllr]

Don't they also put all weapon groups together when they draw?
Like when they do quality elk, all weapon groups get assigned a number and they go down the list on what is available. So the archery, muzzleloader and rifle hunters are mixed in the quality category and the lowest number starts first and goes from there?

I don't think so because some of the hunt options are open to multiple weapon categories.  Pretty sure they just assign a number to everyone (regardless of east/west, or weapon choice), and then go down the list and see if a tag is still available for what you applied for when your number comes up.

It doesn't matter as you would only be competing against 'like' weapon holders for permits generally anyway.

[chukardogs]

In the most basic of terms, if two individuals are vying for the same tag (weapon, season, etc..etc.) and one individual has ten points and the other has one point. Are some on here saying, the hunter with ten points has the same odds of drawing that tag as the individual that has one point? If so, what's the point? 

[Ridgerunner]

He has slightly better odds.  He has 100 chances to pull a low number, while the other person has one.  So yes he has slightly better odds but with thousands of people applying the reality is the draw odds between the two are not that far apart. 

[dagon]

And an infinite number of chances to draw a higher number.  Better odds to win or lose.

It's actually not an infinite number. After the points are squared that is the high number not infinity. Then they pull each person lowest number from that list.

[Rainier10]

In the most basic of terms, if two individuals are vying for the same tag (weapon, season, etc..etc.) and one individual has ten points and the other has one point. Are some on here saying, the hunter with ten points has the same odds of drawing that tag as the individual that has one point? If so, what's the point?

No. One has a 0.00546% chance and the other has a 0.00454% chance so 0.00096% better chance. Not much of a difference but it’s a difference.