1x scopes vs open sights

[GWP]

That goes to most folks accuracy in general and that's with high power rifles. Vast majority of hunters are 6+ moa field shooters. It's been proven time and time again with tools such as the craft drills. But one time they shot a 3 shot sub moa group and another time they hit a 10 moa rock face at 500 yards so they are basically good to a 1k   Point being, if people can see the target (optic allows that) they are gonna letting er fly.

I made a similar statement some time back and the response was, let’s just say, ‘not favorable’.
When I was much younger and much more hand stable I had a custom 22-250 built for longish range varmint shooting. I thought I shot it pretty well.
The builders brother, who was a world class competition shooter, took his match ammo made my shooting look like a beginner. Sure proved what that rifle was capable of!
I have shot with some pretty good shooters over the years, but in my experience the average shooter over estimates their actual effective range.
AND will blame everything but their ability to hold steady or handle recoil for a larger group or ‘flyer’.
If a 1X becomes legal, yes, I will use one.

[lazydrifter]

I set my Disc Extreme up with a set of Leupold QR bases and rings.  I have multiple sets of rings for it.  One set of rings has a 1X Pentax scope mounted in case our laws change.  I have another scope mounted up, a Leupold 3-9x40 LRD that I can drop on if I'm hunting a firearm restricted area during modern firearm season.  I've never sighted in the 1X scope on this muzzleloader but I know that when I look thru the scope it actually makes objects appear further away. So needless to say if it becomes law I will use the 1X scope.  65 years old and my eyes aren't what they used to be.  And no I can't get my eyes corrected. I scratched them years ago and have scar tissue.

[JakeLand]

Did this pass ?

[andersonjk4]

The 3-year season setting, including the proposed changes, will have a seperate public hearing on 3/26.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/development/2024-2026-season-setting

[nwhunter]

Ten years ago I was opposed to anything that gave muzzie hunters anymore of an advantage.. I hunt with any weapon I can get a tag for now and now over  50 have the old man eyes and maybe a little more wisdom to see the advantage of 1x scopes.. The biggest benefit is it keeps a very important age class of hunters involved and not quitting and taking up golf.. I can’t see open sights or peep sights and a target clearly enough to feel good about hunting that way so a scope keeps me in the game and many other “old” guys.. Sure it’s a slight advantage but the benefits far outweigh the impact IMO..

[duckmen1]

My question is if this passes what are ya'll thoughts on options of what you prefer to put on for 1x or red dot sights?

[HntnFsh]

I don't think red dots will be legal.

[Ghost Hunter]

I don't think red dots will be legal.

If they accept it as written.

WAC 220-414-060  Muzzleloading firearms.
The purpose of this proposal is to amend WAC language to allow the use of one-power (aka “1x”) scopes on muzzleloading
firearms. Commercial availability of one-power scopes is low outside of the “red dot” scope category. Red dots sights are
non-magnifying (i.e., 1x) battery-powered optics that function by concentrating and reflecting a light (typically red) from within
the scope housing onto the user’s eye. Red dot scopes do not project any light, laser, or other emission toward the target.
Because red dot scopes are battery powered, this proposal also amends WAC language to permit electronic aiming devices
on muzzleloading equipment if those devices are red dot or similar electronically powered devices that do not exceed one
power magnification. The Department does not anticipate significant impacts to hunter success rates because one power
scopes do not magnify the target or enhance the intrinsic capabilities of muzzleloading firearms.   

[duckmen1]

I don't think red dots will be legal.

So question would be why would they bring this rule up when there is no 1x scopes on the market if they weren't including red dot sights? If anyone could show me a current in production 1x scope non red dot I would love to hear the options available.

[Cougartail]

I don't think red dots will be legal.

So question would be why would they bring this rule up when there is no 1x scopes on the market if they weren't including red dot sights? If anyone could show me a current in production 1x scope non red dot I would love to hear the options available.

Primary Arms Cyclops 1x has an etched reticle that can be illuminated. It isn't a true red dot. Very well made optic that works well. Around $270.

[benhuntin]

This topic is one of many that proves why hunters will continue to lose hunting issues. Everyone argues that one hunting group or another is better/unethical/or whatever.  If you want to hunt muzzy with what ever is legal, have at it, if not, don’t try and kill it for other hunters. It’s the same with bait and non-bait. Or hounds or non-hounds. As hunters we should take and keep every right that this state will give us.  Or whatever, really doesn’t matter to me.


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[blackymaster20]

The funny thing is that locating elk is the part most people struggle with. Why would other hunters care if you could possibly get a more ethical shot off? IMO a 1x scope is not going to suddenly make harvest rates skyrocket.

[HntnFsh]

I'm surprised they have that wording in there. I thought anything electronically powered had been eliminated in the past. I'm fine with the red dot.

[Ghost Hunter]

Red dots would be a disadvantage for me.  I might try the Hawke MP 1x32 I picked up for $100.  Likely I'll just keep my handicap and continue using the crossbow.

[Pathfinder101]

The funny thing is that locating elk is the part most people struggle with. Why would other hunters care if you could possibly get a more ethical shot off? IMO a 1x scope is not going to suddenly make harvest rates skyrocket.

No, but it might skyrocket the number of people out there chasing them with a muzzleloader instead of a rifle...