Here come the bears

[MtnMuley]

The overwhelming opposition at those meetings was completely useless in their decision making as most of us knew it would be. Their agenda was already set in stone.

Let the maulings begin........

[SWHUNTER]

Saw this on another site.

[SWHUNTER]

This one is easier to read.

[chukardogs]

I just keep wondering if the board of directors at REI have thought about what happens to their bottom line after the second or third Grizzly bear mauling? Considering the PCT runs right through the heart of the Cascades and there are trailheads at every road end, the Cascades see more foot traffic than downtown Seattle. Every time some moron leaves food out in the camp, tries to burn up garbage in the campfire or a kid sneaks Lemon drops into their tent and a Grizzly bear does what a Grizzly bear does, REI's bottom line is gonna take a hit. It'll take a while but eventually, REI and other outdoor gear sellers will be on the other side of this when their sales start heading south or maybe they'll just start carrying big guns in their stores. Won't be long, it'll be like the wild wild west out there, Wolves, Wolverines, Grizzly bears, Black bears and Cougars......... After the Grizzly bear does what it does, the state will have no choice but to remove the offending bear so what's the use? Stay safe out there!

[bigmacc]

THey are already here, and if the land would have supported more, it already would have.  As an apex predator, their only enemy is themselves basically.   THere just isnt enough food for them.   What could go wrong with a bunch of starving grizz running around?

You have a whole new mindset when in grizz country.   

THere will be lots of implications from this, including mandatory bear containers, coolers etc, closed areas and more

Your spot on bone👍

[bigmacc]

Here is the NPS article I read this evening:
 https://www.nps.gov/noca/learn/news/agencies-announce-decision-to-restore-grizzly-bears-to-north-cascades.htm

I particularly was surprisedby this made up sounding  category "Under the decision, grizzly bears in the North Cascades will be designated as a nonessential experimental population under section 10(j) of the Endangered Species Act."

and note they don't specify how many were for, against,  or neutral... " Public feedback played a key role in the decision. During the fall 2023 public comment period, more than 12,000 comments were received on both the draft Environmental Impact Statement and a proposed 10(j) rule."

Did anybody here go to the public event in Darrington? If the public comments were in support of or split close to 50/50 they would be broadcasting it from the rooftops. The introduction is not popular outside of seattle metro and they went ahead with it anyway. Its like they held the 3 public comment events just to get peoples "permission" which never really mattered ikn the first place. They should have saved everybody the gas money and effort and just told us to kiss their asses from the start.

I went to a public session in Cashmere a few years ago when this came out. I spoke as well as left a long report on a feedback survey people took. I talked to a handful of people who were there and not a single person was in favor of it and not one person that spoke was either...

Yep, for those of you who don’t think this is all politically driven to support agendas, think again. It’s exactly why many of us have said for a long time, if you enjoy hunting, if you enjoy shooting sports, if you enjoy being free of overreaching gun laws……there’s one political party in general who is not your friend. Plain and simple.

[nwwanderer]

Ditto on Bones comment, the cost is going to be outrageous.  A female with 3 or 4 cubs protecting a freshly killed angus is going to be great fun.

[bigmacc]

The overwhelming opposition at those meetings was completely useless in their decision making as most of us knew it would be. Their agenda was already set in stone.

Let the maulings begin........

Truth.👍
As some have said, grizz (like wolves) have been here off and on bouncing around for ever. If they loved places like the Methow for example they would have set up shop on their own, they wouldn’t need to be brought in, transplanted or “introduced “. This has got horrible implications for not only our deer and elk herds but for hunters, hikers and other outdoor recreationists. Now your head doesn’t just need to be on a swivel for wolves and cats but now grizzly.

[boneaddict]

Curious....wasnt one of the big arguments about wolves not being transplanted here the fact it was illegal to do so because of some RCW or whatever.   How does this apply.  THis one isnt illegal because they are telling us?   Its a serious question

[CarbonHunter]

This decision came from the feds 40 years ago and I’m pretty sure our state actually tried to block it multiple times based on safety concerns. However given that the voice from Washington was drowned out by the outrage from across the country when they opened up grizzly bear hunting a few years ago they had to do something to stop the grizzly hunting in over populated areas.

The north cascades is one of the original areas identified in the ESA plan for grizzly bear recovery as it was laid out 40 years ago and the environmentalist will use it to stop hunting even if it means some of their seed eating, REI loving friends are sacrificed.

[TommyH]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.12.035

[boneaddict]

Thank you.   Interesting

[ducks4days]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.12.035

If I know the commission, and I like to think I do just a little bit, that law won’t stop them because they don’t know how to read.

[CarbonHunter]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.12.035

If I know the commission, and I like to think I do just a little bit, that law won’t stop them because they don’t know how to read.

This law will not stop the current action because the state is not the ones behind what is happening. This is being conducted by the feds on federal land. But it does show how the state did attempt to stop it going back to the mid ninety’s.

Just like with the wolves, the states tried to stop the feds but the the feds have supremacy in these cases and they do not care how many citizens of the state or legislators in a state squawk about it as it will happen when they say it will happen.

[hunter399]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.12.035

If I know the commission, and I like to think I do just a little bit, that law won’t stop them because they don’t know how to read.

Wow TommyH that's crazy, awesome find there.

I also agree with duck4days ,it's not that they can't read.
But they believe they are above the law.
Or change the laws at there will.

Wife and I where just discussing the effects on native grizzly.
Since there blasting the local news with bringing them in.