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Unfortunately in this article, the WDFW cites only human expansion and NOT problems with cougar/predator management.

https://local.newsbreak.com/clark-county-wa/3469075465541-7-recent-cougar-sightings-in-clark-county-3-livestock-killed?s=dmg_local_email_bucket_6.web2_fromweb
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2024, 10:06:07 AM »
It’s crazy how many predators are captured on people’s Ring/security cameras recently. I wonder if part of the increased number of sightings is correlated to more people installing security imaging and the predators have always been in neighborhoods? I imagine it’s a combination more cameras, increased predator populations, no fear of humans, urbanized ungulates seeking refuge…… seems to be out of balance.

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2024, 05:27:36 PM »
We have a WDFW problem.

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2024, 05:59:26 PM »
 :yeah:

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2024, 08:32:40 PM »
theres no deer left for the hunters. this state should have a year round season on cats.

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2024, 08:53:36 PM »
theres no deer left for the hunters. this state should have a year round season on cats.

Speaking of cats. It only took a few hours after setting camera to get a bobcat. This spot is prone to cougars, bobcats, coyotes, and bears. 2 years ago it was loaded with elk. Now this last year since august it has been almost void of elk. So will see what it holds over next month or two on camera.
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2024, 08:24:58 PM »
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2024, 02:22:18 AM »
We have a WDFW problem.

It’s not a WDFW problem, it’s the commissioners in place that’s the main problem problem!!  If you’ve attended, listened, or read the minutes of the past 3 years of commissioner meetings you will see that even the WDFW biologists have been pushing and agreeing with more predator management and hunts such as a spring bear hunt return and current cougar takes and tag increase. It’s the blasted commissioner board that has steadily been taking this away and putting more and more restrictions on predator hunts, such as them trying to know restrict and eventually take cougar hunting away. They directly ignore and vote against their own biologists recommendations!
WDFW had their lead large carnivore bio leave about a year ago because of the commissions direct actions against her recommendations or bear management through tag increase. Even the commission has a few good people on it, it’s the majority which are anti-hunting that are our biggest problem. Those commissioners are Melanie Rowland, Lorna Smith, Tim Reagan, Woody Meyers, Barbara Baker, and at times- John Lemkuhl
June 21-22 is their next meeting in Vancouver. Come attend and speak against this as they are making decisions about cougar hunts at that meeting….their going down the same route they took with the abolishment of spring bear.
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2024, 05:04:29 AM »
To quote Richard Dreyfus in the movie jaws “ you are going to avoid this particular problem till it swims up and bites you in the ass” . 

 More predators = less game
Less game = less hunters
Less hunters = people buying meat
Buying meat = higher meat prices
Higher meat prices = people selling firearms to buy food for families

Just a theory
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2024, 08:32:36 AM »
It more than just the commissioners it the one who appointed them!  Get rid of that problem and his cronies and maybe the right person will remove and replace the commission with the right people!

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2024, 11:08:27 AM »
It more than just the commissioners it the one who appointed them!  Get rid of that problem and his cronies and maybe the right person will remove and replace the commission with the right people!

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2024, 11:18:47 AM »
For the season that ended a just a month ago did the cougar quota get filled in the Clark County GMU(s)?
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2024, 11:25:55 AM »
For the season that ended a just a month ago did the cougar quota get filled in the Clark County GMU(s)?

The seasons in 564 and 568 have been closed since January 1st.
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2024, 08:14:04 PM »
Until the idiot that appointed the commissioners gets replaced and all of the commissioners get replaced, see a predator, kill a predator. No problem.

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2024, 07:36:32 AM »
As I learned during the years of water wars with the government agency's in the Methow, once you bring up "predation" to the powers that be, their minds close like a steel trap, never to be reopened!!

Ya can't fix stupid,  I've seen it in action!! :o
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2024, 08:32:33 PM »
I think our problem mirrors California's problems......Very good watch.  Very scary to see what the future hold if we don't get a handle on this. 


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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2024, 08:36:31 PM »
Another good watch....

We will see this in Leavenworth before long. 


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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2024, 08:17:23 AM »
thanks for posting.Both are good.

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2024, 08:42:55 AM »
Sheriff offices are a resource, at least the elected ones.  King county is appointed since 2020.  Meet with them, explain the problems.  Whether it is a turkey that will take out a three year old, a black bear that is never predictable, a grizzly that raids your coop, a cougar that took out a bike rider, a wolf pack that is destroying your livelihood or a raccoon with rabies, they need to understand.  Many have no experience and need a little help.  Thanks for the videos!!!

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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2024, 01:36:03 PM »
Sound familiar ?

 "When I was a kid, you never saw a bear in town. Now, they’re all over, making their rounds. It’s easy pickins for them."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-woman-harassed-aggressive-black-bear-before-fatal-mauling-home
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Re: Do We Have a Predator Management Problem? Me Thinks We Do.
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2024, 07:24:22 PM »
My sister just shared this!

 


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