inheriting bonus points

[idahohuntr]

If you ask me they should have a pool of tags that require 20 point's or more to put in to. Why shouldn't the guys who have waited and put in for that long get a special drawing?

Why?  Because demand far exceeds supply and if we are putting together criteria to hand out rare tags I don't think spending 5 seconds hitting submit and paying $10 for several consecutive years entitles you to anything. If we want to identify groups/criteria that should get priority, we'll run out of tags before we get through the list of much more deserving individuals (e.g., gold star family members, disabled vets, etc.). 

[idahohuntr]

If you ask me they should have a pool of tags that require 20 point's or more to put in to. Why shouldn't the guys who have waited and put in for that long get a special drawing?

If point systems were any good there wouldn't be all sorts of people wanting to try various scenarios, the best thing would be if points systems were scrapped, but that isn't going to happen either because too many people think they will probably draw soon because of all their points they have accumulated.

The reality is there are loads of hunters sitting on 20+ points!

@huntnphool had about the only realistic idea I've heard for how to wean a state off points...but even that would be a tough sell.

[LDennis24]

If you ask me they should have a pool of tags that require 20 point's or more to put in to. Why shouldn't the guys who have waited and put in for that long get a special drawing?

Why?  Because demand far exceeds supply and if we are putting together criteria to hand out rare tags I don't think spending 5 seconds hitting submit and paying $10 for several consecutive years entitles you to anything. If we want to identify groups/criteria that should get priority, we'll run out of tags before we get through the list of much more deserving individuals (e.g., gold star family members, disabled vets, etc.).

I'm talking about preference points only, not people who have more money to spend than others. They can have their own pool too. If you put only the people who have 20yrs worth of points into their own pool their chances increase drastically. 

[idahohuntr]

If you ask me they should have a pool of tags that require 20 point's or more to put in to. Why shouldn't the guys who have waited and put in for that long get a special drawing?

Why?  Because demand far exceeds supply and if we are putting together criteria to hand out rare tags I don't think spending 5 seconds hitting submit and paying $10 for several consecutive years entitles you to anything. If we want to identify groups/criteria that should get priority, we'll run out of tags before we get through the list of much more deserving individuals (e.g., gold star family members, disabled vets, etc.).

I'm talking about preference points only, not people who have more money to spend than others. They can have their own pool too. If you put only the people who have 20yrs worth of points into their own pool their chances increase drastically. 

I understand what you are saying...and I'm saying the people with 20+ points don't deserve their own special/entitled portion of the state's wildlife.  They already benefit from the advantage of higher odds relative to lower point holders.

[addicted1]

They should just blow it up, switch to Idaho model but only for in state folks. If people only knew their actual odds of drawing even with 20+, the facts that they release average points to draw anything is joke too. They need to stop showing that, average points and actual chance are way off.

[HikerHunter]

They should just blow it up, switch to Idaho model but only for in state folks. If people only knew their actual odds of drawing even with 20+, the facts that they release average points to draw anything is joke too. They need to stop showing that, average points and actual chance are way off.

Does anyone know how far back they take the "average points"? I'm assuming its at least a few years so that someone drawing with 1 point or 25 points for a category that only has one tag doesn't skew that value.

[bobcat]

They should just blow it up, switch to Idaho model but only for in state folks. If people only knew their actual odds of drawing even with 20+, the facts that they release average points to draw anything is joke too. They need to stop showing that, average points and actual chance are way off.

Does anyone know how far back they take the "average points"? I'm assuming its at least a few years so that someone drawing with 1 point or 25 points for a category that only has one tag doesn't skew that value.

It's the average points of the previous year, of the people who drew. It means NOTHING, especially for those hunts with very few permits. Think of hunts that have only 1 permit, and it happens to be drawn by someone with 1 point. So the average to draw that hunt is 1 point.  🙄

[trophyhunt]

I wish they would let us pick how many points we want to use for each hunt we apply for.  Apply for hunt, how many points do you wish to use?

[chukar58]

Speaking of “Average Points”,  I think the number published is the average number of points that people had last year that applied and not the point average to draw.  That’s a big difference and WDFW would like you to believe you can draw with the average published.

[HikerHunter]

They should just blow it up, switch to Idaho model but only for in state folks. If people only knew their actual odds of drawing even with 20+, the facts that they release average points to draw anything is joke too. They need to stop showing that, average points and actual chance are way off.

Does anyone know how far back they take the "average points"? I'm assuming its at least a few years so that someone drawing with 1 point or 25 points for a category that only has one tag doesn't skew that value.

It's the average points of the previous year, of the people who drew. It means NOTHING, especially for those hunts with very few permits. Think of hunts that have only 1 permit, and it happens to be drawn by someone with 1 point. So the average to draw that hunt is 1 point.  🙄

Take no offense, but I didn't believe you, so I just checked with a buddy that drew a single tag a few years back and sure enough the next year was his number of points. In fact, if you look at the hunts with a single or just a couple permits, the average points sometimes swings wildly each year.

All that said, I agree with Bobcat, the average points is useless. Actually its misleading at its best!

[Bob33]

They should just blow it up, switch to Idaho model but only for in state folks. If people only knew their actual odds of drawing even with 20+, the facts that they release average points to draw anything is joke too. They need to stop showing that, average points and actual chance are way off.

Does anyone know how far back they take the "average points"? I'm assuming its at least a few years so that someone drawing with 1 point or 25 points for a category that only has one tag doesn't skew that value.

It's the average points of the previous year, of the people who drew. It means NOTHING, especially for those hunts with very few permits. Think of hunts that have only 1 permit, and it happens to be drawn by someone with 1 point. So the average to draw that hunt is 1 point.  🙄

Take no offense, but I didn't believe you, so I just checked with a buddy that drew a single tag a few years back and sure enough the next year was his number of points. In fact, if you look at the hunts with a single or just a couple permits, the average points sometimes swings wildly each year.

All that said, I agree with Bobcat, the average points is useless. Actually its misleading at its best!

One might even think it's intentional, to sell more applications.

[huntnphool]

If you ask me they should have a pool of tags that require 20 point's or more to put in to. Why shouldn't the guys who have waited and put in for that long get a special drawing?

If point systems were any good there wouldn't be all sorts of people wanting to try various scenarios, the best thing would be if points systems were scrapped, but that isn't going to happen either because too many people think they will probably draw soon because of all their points they have accumulated.

The reality is there are loads of hunters sitting on 20+ points!

@huntnphool had about the only realistic idea I've heard for how to wean a state off points...but even that would be a tough sell.

[bobcat]

I'm sure there are many people every year who are surprised and very disappointed when they don't draw a permit they applied for- because, they had more than the number of points needed to draw that particular permit. (according to the average points shown in the pamphlet)

[Caseknife]

Bet the average points to draw Goat Rocks East next year is 28, believe that is what I had anyway.