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New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« on: August 30, 2024, 06:48:24 PM »
Anyone get to see the new rules regarding bobcat harvest/trapping? Now hunters must submit a fully intact lower jaw that is dried BEFORE the animal can be sealed! Understand that taxidermists cannot legally take possession OR have the fur tanned unless it has the Cites (seal) tag attached per law.
This is so much ridiculousness and if any biologist or cat specialist is reading this, please let me know the reason behind this absurd requirement. Bobcats are at NO risk for species decline or listing; furthermore, why in the flying-fornication can't the same information be obtained via a tooth sample just as we do with bear and cougar. You are now asking a successful hunter/trapper to remove the jaw of the cat whose European skull is a prized possession in remembrance of the hunt and memory. Furthermore, removal of the lower jaw, unless you have done this quite a few times, is tough and requires more time for the hunter to take the cat to a taxidermist if had plans for a rug, mount, etc. The jaw must be removed, given time to dry, THEN submit to WDFW before a seal is applied, THEN the hunter can take it back to the taxidermist in order to have mount work/tanning completed. Let's make this process even more hard for the very people that supply you (WDFW) with the funds to do your 'studies' while inconveniencing and taking half the skull?  What kind of nonsense is this?
Sorry....having a moment. I'm pretty levelheaded but this new rule is absolute garbage and has no value to an animal that is at risk...

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2024, 06:51:25 PM »
They want the jaw? Pay for it. IT HAS VALUE!
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2024, 06:53:17 PM »
Because the wdfw game commission is doing their best to make it as difficult as possible for the sportspeople of Washington state. If they make the rules difficult to adhere to, they are hoping people will just give up.

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2024, 07:03:59 PM »
Because the wdfw game commission is doing their best to make it as difficult as possible for the sportspeople of Washington state. If they make the rules difficult to adhere to, they are hoping people will just give up.

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2024, 07:29:22 PM »
The inmates are running the asylum
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2024, 07:55:49 PM »
Kind of reminds me of the grouse wing submission.  Submit your grouse wings and WDFW rewards you by chopping off the best most enjoyable part of the season.  You can’t dream this stuff up if you try care about your clientele.  As BRT said, bobs are in zero chance of being overharvested by human hunters or trappers with the ridiculous sanctions already in place.

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2024, 08:01:48 PM »
The ought to be concerned about why the Selkirk Mountains Woodland Caribou Recovery Area isn’t working

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2024, 08:16:29 PM »
Because the wdfw game commission is doing their best to make it as difficult as possible for the sportspeople of Washington state. If they make the rules difficult to adhere to, they are hoping people will just give up.

 :yeah: that's  what 24 hour checks are all about.
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2024, 09:54:09 PM »
I think we all refuse to do it .  :twocents:
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2024, 10:44:11 PM »
It’s a bunch of crap and they shouldn’t get away with it. They can get everything they need from the tooth. I’ve said it before it’s gonna be no time they’re gonna require the right side of your six-point bull elk. Anything they can do to lower the value and memories of our kill.  If they want it, they should pay us the full value of European bobcat skull. I’m on board with us all not complying with this. Or taking a nasty bloody one in and throwing it on their counter and telling them show me how to do it .

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2024, 11:33:25 PM »
What would be the penalty if you don’t?   Sounds like they will not seal your pelt….but beyond that, is there a stated penalty?   I would document the fact you tried to get your pelt sealed and they refused (maybe on video) and move on with life.  Never killed a bobcat but got my trappers license a few years back and have planning on trapping one as I have time.  I’m only doing it for the hide and skull (personal) not looking to profit….this would take away from the skull euro for sure. 


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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2024, 08:14:45 AM »
It does not seem clear if they are keeping the jaw.  Is it only an examination.  It says "present", not "submit"  :dunno:
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2024, 08:25:30 AM »
What would be the penalty if you don’t?   Sounds like they will not seal your pelt….but beyond that, is there a stated penalty?   

They sealed pelt is a Cities requirement, which I believe is a Federal ordinance.

They also state to not put it in a plastic bag!!  Just bag it let it ferment a bit then present it to the regional office for verification.
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2024, 08:59:52 AM »
Next year you'll have to turn in your elk's antlers before you can gut it!

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2024, 09:31:51 AM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2024, 09:51:32 AM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.

Maybe when the Commission starts using actual science....
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2024, 01:12:40 PM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.
Sounds great, but they are completely against us and do not go with the science so tell me again why we should help them collect it? And nobody has yet answered. What information can they get from this lower jaw that they cannot get from the tooth? If Someone can tell me what extra info can be gleaned from this it might be easier to comply because I do not believe there is any benefit to taking the whole jaw from us other than to devalue our trophy

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2024, 02:58:24 PM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.
Sounds great, but they are completely against us and do not go with the science so tell me again why we should help them collect it? And nobody has yet answered. What information can they get from this lower jaw that they cannot get from the tooth? If Someone can tell me what extra info can be gleaned from this it might be easier to comply because I do not believe there is any benefit to taking the whole jaw from us other than to devalue our trophy

Part of me gets what you are saying with the non compliance. Another part of me says that as sportsmen we have to show we are better than the commission. Even if it doesn’t work we have to continue to show our support for the bios and for the science being collected. Otherwise we get to be painted as the bad guys who are just innit for the trophies. Can’t stoop to their level. I’m not sure why they would want the whole jaw but I can speculate it might provide better information about size of the animal, overall health and development during its lifespan and possibly if it had been sick at some point. Probably a good question for the bios at wdfw. Again I understand the frustration and sometimes feel the same way you do about this commission and its rules but still have to strive to be the better more responsible party in this fight.
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2024, 03:12:51 PM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.


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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2024, 06:17:33 PM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.

I hear what you’re saying Huckleberry but don’t agree with it, and I will tell you why…..I also take a little offense to your comment about criticizing decisions without getting involved as I have been VERY involved with the WDFW fish and game meetings attendance, and being one of the founding members of the Conservation Coalition of Washington which has been active in fighting this anti-hunting and rules that go along with this narrative, such as this one. I’m not the only one that is very involved either, so I would think about making those assumptions in your post. This whole thing another tactic to make more leg work for hunters and or taking away parts of their harvest such as a FULL bobcat euro…I’m sorry you have lots of bobcat jaws laying around….
In regard to what you said, your examples, most of which are INSPECTIONS (not taking something away from your catch) that are not always mandatory but something your arbitrarily volunteered. Fish nipping on your salmon or lingcod are horrible analogies to the removal of a lower jaw of a hunters bobcat skull.
I would agree with you about ‘science based decisions’ only IF our own commission would actually go with science. The pick and choose what they decide is THEIR science and when it doesn’t meet up with ‘Big 4’ ( the hardcore 4 anti hunting commissioners) then make something up or request another study that wastes time/money or is used as an excuses to close a season on species that are thriving (loss of spring bear)….I've been in the very room when they spout this bs and it’s all recorded if you’d like to take a look.
Again…the bobcat is thriving in every state it is a native to and at NO chance of species decline so why the extremes new measure when a tooth suffices just like it does for bear and cougar. Crap man, I would even give up one of the cats canines for a study….but this whole lower jaw is ridiculous, unwarranted, and yet another extra steps for a ‘study’ to a species that is thriving. You get your fish inspected, you drop off a wing, you have your boat inspected at checkpoint…all in a single step. NOW the bobcat hunter harvests a cat, takes it to a taxidermist to remove the lower jaw in a delicate fashion to retain the hide for mounting or fur preservations, leaves the taxidermist to dry the cat jaw, takes it into WDFW several days later to present the jaw AND NOW gets the cat sealed, THEN has to take the cat back to the taxidermist because he can’t leave the cat at the taxi until there is a seal in accordance with law. I also find this new rule ironically introduced at the door step of many states trying to outlaw bobcat hunting such as Colorado. Coincidence?
So you tell me how this is not inconveniencing the hunter and is ‘science’ without the appearance of just making it harder on a successful hunter on one of these cats?
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2024, 09:32:09 PM »
All the commission does with science is ignore it and push their agenda
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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2024, 09:43:36 PM »
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2024, 06:25:38 AM »
All the commission does with science is ignore it and push their agenda

I wish they just ignored it. They do much worse and cherry pick the data that fits their agenda. When they cant even find a cherry in all the fiction, they resort to straight up lying.

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2024, 09:56:20 AM »
With out a doubt there will be a small subset of individuals impacted to a point of a PITA - those industry folks working to make a living off wild game and dealing with large numbers of bobcat and the occasional recreationalist who wants more than a hide. For those who want a euro mount perhaps ask for it back?

My previous experience with sealing has been a phone call and set up a meeting time/location. The department staff has been fun, engaged, and always left me feeling like it was not a total waste of time. I have only had to drive to the office a handful of times. We know the rules before the season starts so if they are a deal breaker do not participate. Pulling a jaw off the skinned animal is not difficult nor is leaving it out to dry. I hope most hunters are capable.

Bobcat are traditionally a “by chance” species. Jumping some hoops every now and then for a unique animal is not the end of the world or a reason not to shoot. I don't know the number of trappers who retain the full skull so I won't speak on that. I imagine it's reserved to those especially big cats. Again, perhaps ask for it back?

As for science, what is used or ignored, that has always been tricky but having a data set is never a bad thing. Why not use the available resources (hunters) to gather it. I'm game because I believe there is light at the end of the tunnel and without working together we won't make it there. I also like doing the leg work and extra engagement adds to the process.

I stand behind the WDFW. Both of my draw tags this year have undergone significant recent changes. These changes are for the better and due to hunters expressing concerns. I now stand to benefit.

There are a lot of folks that won't like my stance on spring bear or the changes to grouse season. I am OK with that as we are all entitled to our opinions. My comments to the commission were submitted in a thoughtful and educated fashion. A sacrifice in opportunity or personal time/property (in this case) is occasionally necessary. I am a conservationist for the resource and the heritage. The laws, and changes within, are quite simply are the only compliance tool available.


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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2024, 10:11:26 AM »
Easy fix have the person meeting you take out the jaw, I have had several sealed and it was fine even had a warden help flesh the cat, easy fix, people are getting to personal on this site, DON'T LET WDFW WIN BY SPLITTING US!

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2024, 11:04:43 AM »
With out a doubt there will be a small subset of individuals impacted to a point of a PITA - those industry folks working to make a living off wild game and dealing with large numbers of bobcat and the occasional recreationalist who wants more than a hide. For those who want a euro mount perhaps ask for it back?

My previous experience with sealing has been a phone call and set up a meeting time/location. The department staff has been fun, engaged, and always left me feeling like it was not a total waste of time. I have only had to drive to the office a handful of times. We know the rules before the season starts so if they are a deal breaker do not participate. Pulling a jaw off the skinned animal is not difficult nor is leaving it out to dry. I hope most hunters are capable.

Bobcat are traditionally a “by chance” species. Jumping some hoops every now and then for a unique animal is not the end of the world or a reason not to shoot. I don't know the number of trappers who retain the full skull so I won't speak on that. I imagine it's reserved to those especially big cats. Again, perhaps ask for it back?

As for science, what is used or ignored, that has always been tricky but having a data set is never a bad thing. Why not use the available resources (hunters) to gather it. I'm game because I believe there is light at the end of the tunnel and without working together we won't make it there. I also like doing the leg work and extra engagement adds to the process.

I stand behind the WDFW. Both of my draw tags this year have undergone significant recent changes. These changes are for the better and due to hunters expressing concerns. I now stand to benefit.

There are a lot of folks that won't like my stance on spring bear or the changes to grouse season. I am OK with that as we are all entitled to our opinions. My comments to the commission were submitted in a thoughtful and educated fashion. A sacrifice in opportunity or personal time/property (in this case) is occasionally necessary. I am a conservationist for the resource and the heritage. The laws, and changes within, are quite simply are the only compliance tool available.


Real question, what is this new "data set" you are talking about?

Please explain what new and important data this will supply above & beyond that a single tooth cannot.

It is better to be consistently incorrect than inconsistently correct...

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2024, 11:32:16 AM »
I like google.
da·ta
noun
facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis.

There is a lot of information available online for those actually interested in why they added this new law. Washington is behind other states in asking for the whole jaw. I do not see a reason why a monetary reimbursement aka “bounty” should be used (Idaho?). Age, sex, size, duplicate measurements, etc. knowledge is power and asking for volunteers only yields a small subset of the available samples.

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2024, 01:22:29 PM »
There is no new data being collected beyond what the tooth submission already achieved.  They simply want it to be easier to extract the tooth - meaning they want to destroy the jaw to get it. 

https://wdfw.wa.gov/newsroom/news-release/new-bobcat-jaw-submission-requirements-effective-sept-1

“WDFW will now collect the lower jaw from bobcats harvested in Washington so we can use the canine teeth to determine the age structure of harvested bobcats and track changes over time,” said Stephanie Landry, WDFW carnivore, furbearer, and small game section manager. “Bobcat canine teeth cannot be removed as easily as the teeth of other species, which is why the bobcat’s entire lower jaw must be submitted.”

This is just an imposition placed up on hunters and trappers, a taking of value, with no additional benefit.

Good luck getting your destroyed bobcat jaw back if you ask for it...
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2024, 01:45:46 PM »
I drop off grouse wings at the bin whenever possible. I have a large stack of envelopes for mailing duck/goose wings to the feds. My fish are checked at the dock regularly. Selfishly it is always sad to see a fin cut on my lingcod or a salmon head get hacked apart but I also understand that there are good people spending their life trying to find solutions to complex problems. As the world grows we must somehow incorporate science and data into game management. You can be involved, make some efforts to help, or sit on the side lines criticizing these decisions.

Nobody is thrilled about having their boat checked for invasive species or the new and burdensome CWD rules but hopefully we all get how big of impacts failures to comply can have. If the hunters/fishers/trappers can not work together and put in some extra effort towards working with the WDFW then perhaps we shouldn't be harvesting or transporting game. It is not a right and never has been. This is simply a fact that must be accepted. Play nice, pull the bad apples out of the bin, and move forward with life. I don't need a bunch of bobcat jaws and I bet most of you don't either. My antler pile already finds itself hanging from barn rafters.
you have officially drank their coolaid that bobcat skull is money out of my pocket I trap cats and that’s part of what I sell  and without the lower jaw it is worthless period oh ya and the same rule applies for cougar too
This game dept is as corrupt as the democrat party

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2024, 01:50:32 PM »
Trust the science guys  :rolleyes:

DFW distances itself from any semblance of reasonable management every chance they get..
If people can't see that then...well I don't know..
It's no wonder very few people trust them anymore..

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2024, 03:02:15 PM »
I was just reading along on this new bobcat rules so it seams they want to get more information on this species So maybe they need to open up a season on wolves so the hunters of this state can harvest a few and turn the jaws in to see how they are getting long . So I no there is a program in the okanogan where they are trapping lynx to study them why cant the wdfw trap bobcat and get all there information on them and they can release them back into the wild alive

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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #31 on: September 01, 2024, 04:48:37 PM »
It’s all about control
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Re: New WDFW Bobcat Rules- Absolute BS
« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2024, 11:36:29 AM »
Absolutely unbelievable, WDFW for HARRIS :tup: How does anybody agree with this? Donate wings and feathers, sure, if there is a convenient place to drop off near your hunting area, Im not driving out of my way at 4.50 a gallon "thanks Jay Inslee" to drop off some feathers for arts and crafts. We need to stop acting like a bunch of puppets!   

 


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