Author Topic: Shockwave sabots (Read 13078 times)

Rhino · « **on:** June 20, 2009, 07:42:34 PM »

Has any used TC's Shockwave sabots? I just foind out we can use jacketed bullets so iam thinking about using them. I'll be hunting elk so i probably go with 300grn.

BoomWhop · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2009, 12:16:18 AM »

I am gonna do the same

Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #2 on:** June 21, 2009, 08:42:32 PM »

I couldn't bring myself to pay that much for muzzleloader bullets. I went with the Hornady SST's. I tried them in 250 gr. and 300 gr. Both shot very well. But since I have a rimrock bull tag

I went with the 300 gr. From the stuff I have read they retain about 71 to 76 percent of their weight and they mushroom beautifully. Here are a couple of links I looked at.

www.theoutdoorquest.com/perma-gel_ballistic_gelatin.htm

www.hornady.com/images/2008_sell_sheets/SST-ML.pdf

Wacenturion · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:42:42 AM »

BLRMan...thanks for the links. I'm planning on using the Hornady SST's......good information.

Rhino · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2009, 12:45:06 PM »

ya They are a little expensive. I just want a good quality sabot. I"ll check into the SST's

Wacenturion · « **Reply #5 on:** June 28, 2009, 09:24:03 PM »

I believe I read somewhere in the last couple days that Hornady SST's and TC Shockwaves are the same. Hornady makes them for TC. I'll see if I can find where I read it and post it here.

Wacenturion · « **Reply #6 on:** June 29, 2009, 07:33:22 AM »

Clipped this statement off of a Mississippi board...................

"As already stated here the Hornady SST and the T/C Shockwave are the same bullet manufactured by Hornady. The sabots for the two bullets are different though. Thompson makes their own sabot, while Hornady gets their sabots from MMP Sabots. The MMPs are a little tougher, and usually a little harder to get down the barrel....assuming a clean barrel on both guns.

Tough to get down the barrel is not really a bad thing. The "tighter" sabots will usually be a more accurate load than a "loose" loading sabot. The pressure on powder ignition doesn't get around the tighter sabot allowing better accuracy and probably better velocity."

jrebel · « **Reply #7 on:** June 29, 2009, 08:11:09 AM »

Hooked on Toys in Wenatchee sells the shockwave for approx $12 per 15. I thought it was a great price compaired to other sabots I have seen.

Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #8 on:** July 02, 2009, 09:37:42 PM »

ok so I shot the 300gr SST in both eazy load sabots and the standard sabot. I love eazy load sabots!!!!!!!!!!!!! So nice to load and no difference in accuracy. I shot one into a piece of railroad tie and dug it out and it mushroomed just like a jacketed bullet should. The PR bullet that I put next to it was a big flat blob of lead. Not like a railroad tie is anything like flesh but I figure if it can hold its shape on something like that it can handle a shoulder and some muscle.

fishcrazy · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2009, 08:23:47 AM »

BLRMAN,

I shoot the PRB out of my knight and have allso been looking to try one of the jacketed bullets now that we can use them. Thanks for posting that info. I think I will try some of the Hornady bullets. That was good info to know and thanks for shareing. What was yer powder and load if you don't mind sharing.

Kris

Wacenturion · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2009, 11:20:53 AM »

Quote from: BLRman on July 02, 2009, 09:37:42 PM

ok so I shot the 300gr SST in both eazy load sabots and the standard sabot. I love eazy load sabots!!!!!!!!!!!!! So nice to load and no difference in accuracy. I shot one into a piece of railroad tie and dug it out and it mushroomed just like a jacketed bullet should. The PR bullet that I put next to it was a big flat blob of lead. Not like a railroad tie is anything like flesh but I figure if it can hold its shape on something like that it can handle a shoulder and some muscle.

BLR....are the easy load sabots the red ones that come in the plastic box of 20 SST bullets? Also what muzzleloader are you shooting...and powder and load are you using. Thanks again....good information.

Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #11 on:** July 05, 2009, 01:52:12 PM »

I'm shooting a 50 cal Knight bighorn with the thumbhole stock. The load I have settled with is 115 grains of Pioneer powder FFFG pushing the 300 grain Hornady SST EZ load sabots. My buddy who also has a branch bull tag this year is shooting the same bullet but he uses two pyrodex pellets (100 grains) and they shoot very well for him out of his CVA. Yes the EZ load sabots are the red ones.

p.s. 115 grains was the hottest load I could get with that bullet out of my gun before my groups started to grow. I will dig out my camera and get some picks of the mushroomed bullets.

Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #12 on:** July 05, 2009, 02:29:48 PM »

SST bullet mushroomed

bowhunterforever · « **Reply #13 on:** July 05, 2009, 02:49:55 PM »

Do they make hornady SST for 54 cal?

Wacenturion · « **Reply #14 on:** July 05, 2009, 09:27:23 PM »

BLR....thanks again. My son and I both have Knight Bighorns and I also have a couple Wolverines (all recent purchases), and my old TC .54 Renegade I bought in 1975. Only difference is I'll be trying Triple 7 to begin with in the bighorn.
Been away from muzzleloading since the mid to late 80's, that's why the questions. Appreciate the help.

CP · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2009, 03:20:57 PM »

Does anyone know who makes that red EZ load sabot that comes with the Hornady SST-ML?

I tried a few of these and they load ridiculously easy. I can start them flush to the muzzle with my fingers. With such a loose fit I didn’t expect much accuracy but they shot a clover leaf group at 50 yards and a little over an inch at 100. I’m impressed.

TheHunt · « **Reply #16 on:** July 09, 2009, 10:47:53 AM »

Quote from: bowhunterforever on July 05, 2009, 02:49:55 PM

Do they make hornady SST for 54 cal?

I do not think they do...

SnakeEyes · « **Reply #17 on:** July 29, 2009, 06:47:37 PM »

I just tried my new TC's Shockwave sabots 300 grain bonded today. I was very pleased with how they shot. They should work well for my Wenaha bull hunt. I am shooting the Knight Bighorn 26'' barrel stainless. I switched the original sites to a peep.

The first picture is 100 yards. The lower shot is with 2-50 grain pellets of 777. The chronograph said 1602 fps. The higher hit on the target was with 3-50 grain pellets of 777. The speed was 1916 fps.

This second target was at 200 yards. The range did not have a 150 yard target. I used 3-50 grain pellets of 777 with both shots. The speed was 1921 fps and 1929 fps. I thought that was pretty good for 200 yards.

CP · « **Reply #18 on:** July 30, 2009, 08:28:07 AM »

That's some good shooting SnakeEyes.

clay · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2009, 09:38:16 AM »

I have killed a few animals with the TC Shockwave Sabots and only use them for target practice now. My experience with this product is not favorable, as the bullets have excessivley fragmented on every kill. Just my two cents.

I use Precision's QT40 and they are the most accurate and best killing bullet I've used out of my T/C Black Diamond. The Cabelas version of the Precision X-Tended Range is the same thing and I believe that they are made by the same company.

SnakeEyes · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2009, 09:55:45 AM »

Were you using the bonded shockwave?

turkey slayer · « **Reply #21 on:** August 03, 2009, 09:33:27 PM »

I shoot the shockwave out of my bighorn, I am shooting the 250 with 100 grain powder.

50 yards- 4 inches high
100 yards - 1.5 high
200 yards- 3 inches low

fishcrazy · « **Reply #22 on:** August 09, 2009, 08:25:32 PM »

I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on some new boolits. I looked at the Hornady SST and was a little cornfused with the stem out the back of the sabot. Are you just taken it off or do they make them with out it. This is all they had at Cabelas.

I might check their web page and see what they have. Normally Iwouldn't buy from tehm but Ihave a gift card so I'm going to use it for some new sabots to try.

The guys useing the pellets. What kind of a cap are you useing. I have always used 777 powder but am curius about the pills. I was told they don't work as well without the 209 primers. It that true? I would rather use the pills as I'm sure they would be faster.

Also, I thought we had to use bullets over 270 grains. Wouldn't that make the 250 grainers you guys shot illegal for elk? Or did they change that as well.

Kris

SnakeEyes · « **Reply #23 on:** August 09, 2009, 09:31:44 PM »

The caps I am using with my 777 pellets are the Dynamit Nobel Made in Germany. They have been working great in my Bighorn.

bobcat · « **Reply #24 on:** August 09, 2009, 09:39:56 PM »

I like loose 777. It's plenty fast if you pre-measure your charges and carry them with you while hunting. I've never tried the pellets.

Wacenturion · « **Reply #25 on:** August 09, 2009, 10:34:44 PM »

Quote from: fishcrazy on August 09, 2009, 08:25:32 PM

I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on some new boolits. I looked at the Hornady SST and was a little cornfused with the stem out the back of the sabot. Are you just taken it off or do they make them with out it. This is all they had at Cabelas.

I might check their web page and see what they have. Normally Iwouldn't buy from tehm but Ihave a gift card so I'm going to use it for some new sabots to try.

The guys useing the pellets. What kind of a cap are you useing. I have always used 777 powder but am curius about the pills. I was told they don't work as well without the 209 primers. It that true? I would rather use the pills as I'm sure they would be faster.

Also, I thought we had to use bullets over 270 grains. Wouldn't that make the 250 grainers you guys shot illegal for elk? Or did they change that as well.

Kris

Yes, they make the SST without the stem out the back of the sabot, which is used with the pellets, not loose.

Karl Blanchard · « **Reply #26 on:** August 11, 2009, 10:49:48 PM »

Quote from: fishcrazy on August 09, 2009, 08:25:32 PM

I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on some new boolits. I looked at the Hornady SST and was a little cornfused with the stem out the back of the sabot. Are you just taken it off or do they make them with out it. This is all they had at Cabelas.

I might check their web page and see what they have. Normally Iwouldn't buy from tehm but Ihave a gift card so I'm going to use it for some new sabots to try.

The guys useing the pellets. What kind of a cap are you useing. I have always used 777 powder but am curius about the pills. I was told they don't work as well without the 209 primers. It that true? I would rather use the pills as I'm sure they would be faster.

Also, I thought we had to use bullets over 270 grains. Wouldn't that make the 250 grainers you guys shot illegal for elk? Or did they change that as well.

Kris

As long as it is at least a .45 cal or larger there is no restriction on weight of projectile. 40cal for deer

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