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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #315 on: January 06, 2025, 06:27:12 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #316 on: January 06, 2025, 06:30:16 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #317 on: January 06, 2025, 06:32:49 PM »
The moment that anti hunting groups can prove we’re all in it for the inches, instead of management.. bad things will come. Sadle up bc that’s where we’re goin on the current train. I sincerely hope I’m wrong but people continue to prove it right

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #318 on: January 06, 2025, 06:32:59 PM »
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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #319 on: January 06, 2025, 06:35:30 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..

That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #320 on: January 06, 2025, 06:38:30 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..

That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.
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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #321 on: January 06, 2025, 06:41:40 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

That’s not what I asked.
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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #322 on: January 06, 2025, 06:43:22 PM »
Wdfw created the pay to play situation that I have an issue with. I get that the money generated by the sale of raffle tags goes toward conservation, but if they would stop funneling hundreds of millions from recreational license sales into the states general fund and apply that to conservation then the pay to play could go away. My opinion is the raffle tag sales should be limited to one per individual to give an honest chance at getting drawn, and make it OIL if drawn. Why spend tons of money on an auction tag when you can buy enough raffle tags to stack the odds in your favor and almost guarantee that you'll be drawn? I think most of us would probably spend tons of cash to get the same hunting opportunities as the millionaire club does if we were millionaires also. Just sayin... we don't make the rules, the game commission does.  :bash:
I probably won't be purchasing any more raffle tags, seems more like a donation than an opportunity  :bdid:

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #323 on: January 06, 2025, 06:43:31 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

I've got no dog in this fight but your profile has a herd bull, I'm sure there was a raghorn running around..

That bull is the only 6x6 I’ve ever killed and I’m 40. I did it the right way and was the first bull we saw after six days in a “quality” unit and tag. I shot the first bull I saw and was lucky it was a good one.
can I ask what unit? Just because they give out quality tags doesn’t mean it’s a quality unit.

Sure why not. Ellensburg. My family grew up there and I spent a good chunk of my life growing up there too. I’d be happy to help fill a tag in that area, if you have a tag

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #324 on: January 06, 2025, 06:45:25 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

That’s not what I asked.

I have no issue with you or your stance on topics. I chose to ignore you bc it’s not about taking an “I’m right” route. I’m just here to say my piece. Not argue with others

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #325 on: January 06, 2025, 07:12:01 PM »
I’m not sure how taking the biggest oldest animals is not conservation at work.
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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #326 on: January 06, 2025, 07:15:33 PM »
Is this raffle tag the same one a anybody can apply for?

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #327 on: January 06, 2025, 07:30:54 PM »
If he wanted to put his mouth where his money was at… he would help cull over population in areas that were NOT trophy units. He would care about managing the resource instead of paying for it. Can you show me some pictures of him doing real conservation work? Actions are louder than words. You gonna sit here and tell me he spent all that cash to help conservation when most of his 80+ bulls are over 300 inches? Come on guys get real. Hes a trophy hunter period. Exactly what the anti hunters are trying to paste us as. We better start proving them wrong, instead of right. Or they might win the war

That’s not what I asked.

I have no issue with you or your stance on topics. I chose to ignore you bc it’s not about taking an “I’m right” route. I’m just here to say my piece. Not argue with others

I can respect that. Thanks.
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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #328 on: January 06, 2025, 07:40:21 PM »
Saying this guy buying this opportunity isn't truly conservation because he shot a bull with it rather than a cow in an overpopulated unit (is there such a thing in WA?) is ridiculous. Or to think if he'd have gone and repaired elk fence for a few weekends himself would come anywhere near how far his dollars could go is crazy. 

It is possible to contribute money to a good cause AND be rewarded for it.  Think of it as a benefit auction.  There have been many over the years on this forum. We don't rag on guys that spend $500 on a brick of .22 ammo because they benefited at the same time when they could have just given the cash outright.

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Re: Possible record bull?
« Reply #329 on: January 06, 2025, 07:42:11 PM »
Sad bc I won’t be able to tell my kids they have a chance competing with a millionaire for the same tag just bc we aren’t higher on the financial scale of life. And also sad seeing our “conservation” groups auction clearly trophy tags. As sportsmen we vow a cow is worth a bull when correct management is being upheld. I don’t see him holding a cow with his tag…. Just sayin. We better start practicing what we preach. We a bunch of antler hunters trying to break books, cool. Then say it like it is. We a bunch of people paying for high end tags not available to those who can’t pay, cool.. say it like it is. This whole “I’m a sportsmen for conservation” bs with the same people buying the tags year after trying to break the next record? It just proves the anti hunters right. It’s all about the trophy and we can’t do anything but back it up with the auction tags. Those buying the tags are buying a chance at a trophy. They truly aren’t there to help conserve at all, they can just afford to dump cash

What’s being done with the cash they dump? Clearly them killing a bull or Billy or a giant buck has nothing to do with conservation. But what about the cash they spend? Where are we gonna replace that with?
That's a fair question, but in the context of a multi-hundred-million-dollar budget, raffle cash is insignificant. While it might make for a good talking point and may have had some relevance in the past, it's hard to argue that the public gets meaningful value from raffling or auctioning wildlife. If anything, situations like this hunt—created as a result of offering raffles—seem to harm sportsmen's opportunities more than any minuscule benefit gained from someone contributing an extra 0.00001% to the WDFW budget. 

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