Big money Bulls. Is jealousy really the answer?

[blackveltbowhunter]

   I don't want to derail record bull thread anymore than it is, so I thought I would pose the question here.
 
  I think its readily apparent anytime a big bull is posted the "jealousy" label gets slapped up more times than Fauci saying "stop the spread" during a covid press conference.

   My question is, is it it really that simple? Is any comment that questions the validity, or is not a glowing affirmation of the hunters prowess and skill driven solely by this single emotion.

   Personally, I think jealousy by and large has very little to do with it. Obviously jealousy exists I am not denying that. However, hunting when viewed as a "sport" by a group is unique and may be the only sport that has no scale upon which to measure the individuals accomplishments. The individual by the nature of taking a life, should be satisfied with their results. But once shared they open themselves up to criticism upon which there are no written rules ( after the legal ones ) to compare the level of "good".
   In sports like basketball, football, golf etc..., there are rigidly defined parameters that govern all players in a specific era and level. Determining the level of skill needed to achieve or excel is easy. In other words, you cannot pay enough to get someone to lower the basket so you can win a dunking contest against Jordan. Contest sports ( which i categorize hunting in ) like boxing or UFC get a little more sideways because competition can to some extent be chosen. Still, its pretty transparent and relatively easy to spot when a contender is ducking another or weighing the odds in their favor.

   By and large I think most hunters that raise questions are not doing so because they are jealous, but because they want a reference for comparisons. Specifically comparisons to their own styles or self imposed rules. 

   Big bulls and bucks area always cool. But being the highest score TO ME has little to do with that animals ability to survive, to grow, or most pertinent to this topic escape and evade hunters.

   The truth cold and hard as it is, is this. No free range animal living on hay bales in back yards, with limited to no hunting pressure, in the proximity of humans, possibly driven off home field advantage due to snow, is comparable when being hunted to an animal who is not blessed with those gifts. I think some folks believe that because they utilize their money or other resources to get them access to those types of animals who are not as equipped to deal with hunter pressure, they will be categorized differently than others. And they will. That doesn't make those who are judging jealous, it just makes a more equitable comparison. It reminds me of the scene in rocky 3 when Mick tell Rocky that he would get killed in a fight against Clubber, and his title defenses were against handpicked fighters.

   I don't get why it bothers anyone at all on either side. If it does, do something about it instead of throwing labels.

 
 

[trophyhunt]

I don’t believe jealousy has anything to do with it, where there is smoke there is fire.  The way the son claimed this bull was hunted had nothing to do with the final result.  The locals know how this majestic bull went down, it wasn’t portrayed that way.  Huntwa doesn’t want truth, they want good feelings, it’s called woke!  I will prob be banned for life for this but it’s true.  Great bull, not sure it will ever be beat, but if it does, I hope it’s not in someone’s yard eating alfalfa.

[TimberMuleys]

I don’t believe jealousy has anything to do with it, where there is smoke there is fire.  The way the son claimed this bull was hunted had nothing to do with the final result.  The locals know how this majestic bull went down, it wasn’t portrayed that way.  Huntwa doesn’t want truth, they want good feelings, it’s called woke!  I will prob be banned for life for this but it’s true.  Great bull, not sure it will ever be beat, but if it does, I hope it’s not in someone’s yard eating alfalfa.

Agreed.


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[slavenoid]

I don't know any details other than speculation from Facebook. Im not above baiting a big human adapted bull, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make a public post trying to paint a different story. Not jealous just don't really care for deception. Again I know nothing just following along.

[baldopepper]

Heck, used to get jealous of other hunters all the time
Was always the same reason, I had to.leave early to go back to school and later work and they had more time  off to hunt. I never got jealous of someone who worked harder or got luckier than me, just wished it had been my luck to get the animal. People who hang big trophies on their wall have to deal with their own conscience about how they really got it and the true or false story they tell of taking it.

[Magnum_Willys]

The sense of accomplishment is in direct proportion to the degree of difficulty.

[kentrek]

The sense of accomplishment is in direct proportion to the degree of difficulty.

And whats difficult to you may be very easy to me...or vise versa

Its up to each hunter to define there difficult

[Romulus1297]

Geez Christ some people. He can go to Chelan Falls and climb around the butte and arrow the biggest Ram with his dad on the last day with nobody helping come on.

[Skillet]

There is definitely some jealousy, but that not the main issue.  It's projection.  People can't accept another person's success using methods that don't align with their own ethics. 

We had a huge ethics thread earlier this year, this is just an extension of it. 

 

[2MANY]

Who cares.
Nice bull dead.

Obviously dude and son want to be notorious or they wouldn't have posted pictures of themselves.

[mr.ktm95]

If this bull would have been a 300 inch 6 point no one would have cared as much as the elk that was killed. I keep hearing stuff about how wealthy guys can go out and do these cool hunts. I’m not sure about everyone else, but I’m glad to see guys with deep pockets paying for these hunts. They are supporting the cause more than most. The raffles and governors tag are adding to the resources. It’s sickening to see some of these big corporate companies coming out with public comment how they are against hunting. We need the big guys and the small guys to come together to keep conservation in check and at the end of the day it’s all about money and power. People will complain and judge when there is a big animal killed- no matter the story or the circumstance, we see it every year on almost every post here and on social media.

[str8meat]

That bull was once little, he had to fight the natural world. Some are born lucky than others. Play the cards your dealt. Don’t be jealous, envious sure but jealous of someone else’s money or ability to hunt an animal of that caliber is just foolish. We are fortunate enough to hunt elk every year if we choose. I read the posts every year of people with all these points for big bulls and can’t get drawn, I have over 20 and still waiting my turn, but we still get to hunt elk. Washington is not like Michigan where you draw any elk tag and it’s considered once in a lifetime, or an antler less permit which doesn’t allow you to APPLY for 10 years. We really don’t have it that bad. Congratulations to the bull, congratulations to the hunter and thank the almighty for putting something like that on this planet for us.

[CarbonHunter]

I think some people maybe jealous but for the most part people were just curious. It was only after it came out that this was not the hunt it was claimed to be that people who know the guy or feel for him started to call others jealous.

[Bows4huntn]

One thing I see posted a lot about these raffle tags and auction tags is how these big spenders are helping so much with the conservation of whichever species they are buying tags for. I know the money must be going somewhere, but I can’t remember any tag numbers for us normal hunters increasing even one time since these special tags were implemented. The opposite seems to be true where seasons keep getting shorter and “ quality “ permit numbers continue to decline. I think that’s where some of this so called jealousy arises from. 1 guy has numerous big horn sheep and monster bulls while the rest of us are limited to one tag in your life, all because of money? Maybe the OIL rules should apply to these raffle and auction tags also for the true OIL species?

[Ghost Hunter]

I think some people maybe jealous but for the most part people were just curious. It was only after it came out that this was not the hunt it was claimed to be that people who know the guy or feel for him started to call others jealous.

If it wasn't blown up as bad as it has on HW and every other social media, maybe, just maybe, the word wouldn't spread like wildfire as to the unit.   :'(  Curious to see what the little guy's odds are in following years.  Might have to throw my hat in the ring for another round.