Would you support any of these camera bans?

[hunter399]

I won’t support a ban even if I disagree with it. It, once again is just something they can strip us of like baiting Bear and running cats . Whether I agree with it or not I won’t vote against it

I also agree strongly, despite what I think about cell cams vs traditional. I wouldn't support any ban.
If we have learned anything,when it's gone, gone forever.
With our current commission, keeping any opportunities,is better then what's coming on the commission end of things.

[kentrek]

Camera bans lower the age class and lead to less selective hunting...if you want younger animals to be killed then ban away ..banning a camera will not increase anyones oppertunies for better hunting

Its a feel good smoke a mirror game

I don’t feel like that is accurate. Age class of animal is totally dependent on the hunter

The hunters mindset will be dependant on the information he has..trail cameras provide information for the hunter to make a decision

Your inventory completely changes from summer to fall.. real time cell cams could be delayed by 24 hours or what ever the ethics police determines but an outright ban is a step in the wrong direction

Trail cameras will turn a hunter from a scarcity mindset to an abundance mindset...the same people looking to ban cameras wont see any difference in there succes and will move onto tbe next thing to ban...its a culture thats eating itself

[2MANY]

Ban em all!

[fishngamereaper]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

[hunter399]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

True
I know of one tree stand still hanging right now.
All big game seasons closed. Still has the piss bottle up there.... 😂
If you don't want your tree stand messed with,be sure to leave the piss bottle. Nobody wants that...lol
Maybe hang piss bottle off my trail cams🤔

[Platensek-po]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

Well said

[Rainier10]

I have a camera placed on a road running through my place. No bait just pointed at the road. I get 15-20 pics a day of  one or all of these deer,elk, bobcats, coyotes, cougars and wolves just walking by.

[hunter399]

I have a camera placed on a road running through my place. No bait just pointed at the road. I get 15-20 pics a day of  one or all of these deer,elk, bobcats, coyotes, cougars and wolves just walking by.

I agree , bait isn't necessary. Good game trails, easiest path to travel all that. They can be used without bait. Just a lot easier with an attractant to achieve a complete inventory of animals within a given area quickly.

[Buckhunter24]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

I'm not doubting your experience, but that is a small minority of foresters. Any chance they had lag bolted boxes onto the tree? Because in that scenario I could see an industrial landowner removing a camera.

[Feathernfurr]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

Agreed. I feel like I’m constantly trying to get the point across similarly that I don’t love regulation and losing rights, but feel firmly that if we don’t regulate ourselves in a manner that we deem fair and just, someone else will regulate us in the way they see fit. Most likely by someone that doesn’t have a true dog in the fight.

[KrisKamm27]

There is a very fine line. On one side everyone is happy letting people live their lives in ways that have zero impact on your life. On the other side of the line people want to self appointed Home Owners Association Presidents that are out expressing their own closely held beliefs and values and trying to force everyone else to obey their desires.  When I do eventually go out hunting I'm just going to be focused on my own hunt and filling up my freezer.  I won't be out trying to feel like I'm the only pure hunter because I don't use cams for scouting. Maybe one guy has 20hr a week to go scouting and the next guy only has 2hr open. The way you scout should be up to your own judgement. All that matters is being in the right place at the right time to make the shot.  Then someone else has their own close held idea that hunting is wrong but they know they can't stop it so they just act like jerks and try to disrupt other people living their lives.  I can only imagine it must be such a sadistic thrill of power and self importance when a miserable person is and to exert power to dusrupt people that they don't agree with.  Instead of just trying to find happy in their own lives.  And leaving everyone else alone. It's like flipping the table when you start to lose a card game. Don't do that

[huntnnw]

 

Supporting any kind of a ban is how you lose your rights. Be it baiting , dog hunting , Trapping, semi auto rifles, magazines. electric bikes etc.

[ljsommer]

As a well known advocate for, perhaps even a figurehead of, talentless hunters: trail cams are the only way I get to see game most of the time!

[GWP]

I say allow all of it. Airplanes, drones, electric bikes, motorcycles, 4 wheelers of all types, all types of cameras, stands, permanent blinds, no firearm or weapons restrictions, one long season open to everything. Whatever you want to do is legal.
Let ‘er rip and let the various groups devour each other. It would be fun to watch!

I can not imagine what a mess it would be, and yes,
I am joking,
 but everyone wants what they want, and most want it restricted to what they like.

[Rainier10]

I have a camera placed on a road running through my place. No bait just pointed at the road. I get 15-20 pics a day of  one or all of these deer,elk, bobcats, coyotes, cougars and wolves just walking by.

I agree , bait isn't necessary. Good game trails, easiest path to travel all that. They can be used without bait. Just a lot easier with an attractant to achieve a complete inventory of animals within a given area quickly.

No doubt. I will say I am shocked at how many cameras I have and certain animals only show up on one and other animals show up on multiple.