Would you support any of these camera bans?

[Cougartail]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

Agreed. I feel like I’m constantly trying to get the point across similarly that I don’t love regulation and losing rights, but feel firmly that if we don’t regulate ourselves in a manner that we deem fair and just, someone else will regulate us in the way they see fit. Most likely by someone that doesn’t have a true dog in the fight.

Good lord! We started making concessions and they just kept coming. Never give an inch for if you do it's  like sharks in the water.

Look at trapping.. they played that game and lost.

[BigredRusch]

Generally speaking technology and hunting have converged about as far as I personally want to see. I am not in favor of things like cell cams, long range hunting, range finding binos, scopes during muzzleloader season, etc. the more we as a hunt community present to the general public as “tactical” or militaristic, the more we are seen as people taking advantage of nature rather than ethical hunters participating in conservation.

I believe you have to think critically rather than having a knee jerk reaction. If banning trail cameras or limiting use get us extended seasons or new opportunities, I am in favor.

The bottom line is we all need to participate in these decisions rather than just being stuck in the mud. Honestly the world will quietly move on from us and not even think about it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Feathernfurr]

I don't support in general any restrictions of our hunting and recreational abilities ...
Unfortunately we enter the woods right now with rules and regulations based for the most part on perceived necessity... Wether we agree or not there needs to be something in place to stay ahead of technology...cams, drones, smart phones...all give us the advantage. Many of us did just fine harvesting animals pre technology. (The good days)..I'm not against technology...but at some point we need to be honest and draw a line...even if it's squiggly.
If we don't regulate ourselves the State, timber companies etc...will regulate us.

I know of people that set up elk camp, set a dozen cell cams, and sit by the fire watching their phone... ....

Also of note... I knew of some Foresters that would take cams they found on timber company land...their tree's their rules..... there's also FS rules in place for leaving items unattended..

We don't like ghost camps, random tents, or tree stands littering the land.....at least I don't.
I'm not sure if there's a perfect answer...
But regardless.... we'll see something in the next couple years..

Agreed. I feel like I’m constantly trying to get the point across similarly that I don’t love regulation and losing rights, but feel firmly that if we don’t regulate ourselves in a manner that we deem fair and just, someone else will regulate us in the way they see fit. Most likely by someone that doesn’t have a true dog in the fight.

Good lord! We started making concessions and they just kept coming. Never give an inch for if you do it's  like sharks in the water.

Look at trapping.. they played that game and lost.

I suppose it depends on the lens you view it through. I love hunting and believe in conservation, but don’t have a ton of confidence in the long term future of hunting. I’d equate it to an eminent domain. You can either fight and fight and fight and eventually lose it all, or you can play the give and take game and maybe prolong the inevitable outcome. At the end of the day giving up cameras during the hunting season is not equal to losing the ability to run hounds for predators or losing some other high value tradition. It’s merely giving up a tool and moving the needle a little back to the centerline of what’s fair between game animals and hunters.

[boneaddict]

Pre technology.   Sorry folks, we have to own some of it.

[Feathernfurr]

Pre technology.   Sorry folks, we have to own some of it.

I don’t want to assume but what are you insisting by referencing this photo?

[boneaddict]

The good ole days. Yes a lot of things contributed to how things are today compared to then.  We have to own some of it also, always looking for the next best thing.  If folks don’t admit to the scales being tipped, well then it’s a done deal.

[LDennis24]

Things were better before game cameras

[CarbonHunter]

The best states for hunting in the west already ban game cameras during hunting season.

It’s illegal to hunt with the aid of an electronic device to locate animals. Whether it is a drone or someone with a radio telling you where the animal is. Obviously a cell camera that alerts you to the location of an animal falls within that realm.

I have no issues with someone who has a camera and walks to the camera to check the card but if alerts are sent to you it is not only unethical by P&Y and B&C but it is illegal in most situations. If less people were using cell cameras to hunt in our state there would be more animals for the ethical hunter to harvest.

[Feathernfurr]

The good ole days. Yes a lot of things contributed to how things are today compared to then.  We have to own some of it also, always looking for the next best thing.  If folks don’t admit to the scales being tipped, well then it’s a done deal.

They definitely were. I’m intimately familiar with the area this photo was taken. It’s where I hoped to retire to before COVID ruined it. Now it has a mayor that is on Forbes 30 under 30 list and it’s on its was to becoming just like its neighbor to the northeast. This photo was from back in the day when they were allowed to hunt the winter range in December with rifles. I’m sure when people pushed to have wintering wildlife protected there, the hunters probably lost their minds.back then I’m sure they figured

The late season tag for this area is the only tag I’ve ever applied for, I’ve never drawn it. Unfortunately that tag is lucky to produce 1-2 bucks a season like the ones in that photo.

I’ll hop off my soapbox now.

[GOcougsHunter]

I have been enjoying watching this discussion today.  I am seeing lots of good points of view and has broadened my understanding of why some folks thinks it's against fair chase ethics.  If this did get some traction here in WA and any of the scenarios in the poll were enacted, how would it actually get enforced?  I see a ton of grey here...  what is considered a trail camera?  Does a Ring camera attached to my garage constitute a trail camera if it picks up an animal and I am actively hunting the property? If I am running a trail camera on my property for security purposes how am I to defend myself against a hunting violation if I am also hunting the property?  How is using a trail camera for the purposes of pursuing game truly going to be defined? How is a LEO going to enforce this?  How do we establish ownership of a non cell game camera?  If I am hunting an area, harvest an animal and while notching my tag, I look up and see a game camera placed nearby, am I in violation?  these are just rhetorical questions, but, things we need to think about.   I am definitely of the mind that less laws, the better, overall.  Our LEO resources need to be spent on bigger issues.

 

[boneaddict]

The good ole days. Yes a lot of things contributed to how things are today compared to then.  We have to own some of it also, always looking for the next best thing.  If folks don’t admit to the scales being tipped, well then it’s a done deal.

They definitely were. I’m intimately familiar with the area this photo was taken. It’s where I hoped to retire to before COVID ruined it. Now it has a mayor that is on Forbes 30 under 30 list and it’s on its was to becoming just like its neighbor to the northeast. This photo was from back in the day when they were allowed to hunt the winter range in December with rifles. I’m sure when people pushed to have wintering wildlife protected there, the hunters probably lost their minds.back then I’m sure they figured

The late season tag for this area is the only tag I’ve ever applied for, I’ve never drawn it. Unfortunately that tag is lucky to produce 1-2 bucks a season like the ones in that photo.

I’ll hop off my soapbox now.

It’s the facts though.   Same with the Methow when we had split seasons into November.  Folks were pissed off when they took that away.   Then folks will bitch about shorter seasons, then folks will bitch about …. You obviously get it, but some folks don’t seem to get it.   Let’s throw scopes on muzzelloaders, oh yeah, not muzzelloaders anymore. Primitive right? Lol

[CarbonHunter]

I have been enjoying watching this discussion today.  I am seeing lots of good points of view and has broadened my understanding of why some folks thinks it's against fair chase ethics.  If this did get some traction here in WA and any of the scenarios in the poll were enacted, how would it actually get enforced?  I see a ton of grey here...  what is considered a trail camera?  Does a Ring camera attached to my garage constitute a trail camera if it picks up an animal and I am actively hunting the property? If I am running a trail camera on my property for security purposes how am I to defend myself against a hunting violation if I am also hunting the property?  How is using a trail camera for the purposes of pursuing game truly going to be defined? How is a LEO going to enforce this?  How do we establish ownership of a non cell game camera?  If I am hunting an area, harvest an animal and while notching my tag, I look up and see a game camera placed nearby, am I in violation?  these are just rhetorical questions, but, things we need to think about.   I am definitely of the mind that less laws, the better, overall.  Our LEO resources need to be spent on bigger issues.

 

How many of you are searching for world record animals in HOA’s?

If it’s not your game cameras and you are not getting alerts to the animal obviously you are not hunting with the aid of the camera.

[kentrek]

The best states for hunting in the west already ban game cameras during hunting season.

If less people were using cell cameras to hunt in our state there would be more animals for the ethical hunter to harvest.

Yup and how is the trail cam ban going for those states ?? Did anything change what so ever ? Did clients shoot younger animals or older animals ? Did populations just explode from all the unsucceful lazy trail camera hunters that cant run cameras ?

No..so why would any of that happen in washington ?

Trail cameras are not taking anything away from anyone, its simply a feel good for those that dont run cameras to want to ban them

Again...put a delay on live action type cell cams to 24-48 hours if its an issue

[MADMAX]

You guys need to go shoot some coyotes

I run cameras
In my yard
And no I don’t hunt yard deer

In this state it’s become less opportunity for all

Predators and mismanagement

IMO
Not a game camera

[TimberMuleys]

The best states for hunting in the west already ban game cameras during hunting season.

It’s illegal to hunt with the aid of an electronic device to locate animals. Whether it is a drone or someone with a radio telling you where the animal is. Obviously a cell camera that alerts you to the location of an animal falls within that realm.

I have no issues with someone who has a camera and walks to the camera to check the card but if alerts are sent to you it is not only unethical by P&Y and B&C but it is illegal in most situations. If less people were using cell cameras to hunt in our state there would be more animals for the ethical hunter to harvest.

The best states in the west for hunting have much better hunting and predator control. Their terrain is also much more open than some of the areas in Washington. People want to talk about the “good ole days” but giving away hunting rights is one of the main reasons those days are the good ole days now. Yes, big bucks still got shot before trail cameras, however, the populations were incrementally higher then. It was much easier to find larger mature bucks back then. Or any buck for that matter. Many of the old timers who used to kill those big bucks don’t even hunt anymore because they don’t think it’s worth their time. Taking away trail cameras is taking away the only game in town for many of the weekend warriors who want to notch their tag on the biggest and most mature animals around in the low density areas.

Also, if someone wants to have a cell camera on every single trail and have constant surveillance of a buck, why does that matter to you? If someone wants to spend the insane amount of money and time that takes to kill that one deer, I’m fine with it. They earned it. That person still only has one tag. They’re probably going to kill at a more efficient rate than someone trudging through the brush jump shooting the first buck they see, because I know that bucks like that get wounded. Most people with a family and a life outside of hunting, don’t have much time to go out and scout out where all of the deer are, especially in areas as difficult as the NE corner. If someone wants to throw up a cell cam and when the forked horn shows up, they hop in the truck and shoot it, then their family eats it and enjoys it, why does it matter? Who is that effecting? I’m glad because they are getting a lot of quality meat to eat instead of the unhealthy, cancer-rich food we get that the grocery stores. I’d rather some family get to eat the meat than a pack of wolves or a cougar.

I understand how some people could argue the ethics of cell cameras, but P&Y and B&C still recognize animals taken with cellular trail cams as long as it wasn’t within 24hrs of the harvest. But also, even if it were completely unethical in your book, if it’s not directly effecting you, why is it a big deal? I would consider the for the vast majority of people any shot over 600yds to be unethical, should we ban every single rifle that is capable of shooting that far? And also, just because you find it ethically wrong to have a cell cam, does that mean you need to support a mandate to make it to where nobody else gets to have them?

I know that’s a lot, but I don’t think many of you are seeing the bigger picture and ramifications of taking away more hunting rights. Once they’re gone, they don’t come back. There is so many blatant examples of this. It actually baffles me that there is this many people supporting this. If you want the “good ole days” we need to start getting our old hunting rights back. Then maybe take away technology.

Again, I would love for anyone to point out flaws in my thinking, that’s why I started this topic, as I find it important. I am completely open to seeing it another way if brought up. Sorry for the long write up.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk