Non-residents in Idaho Shed Hunting

[trophyhunt]

This country is doomed, the amount of people who think this is a good idea is baffling.  Imagine what the next couple generations will be willing to put up with?  If a guy from the past, say 150 years ago, could see what people are willing to put up with today, he’d think he was in a different country.  Glad I’ll be dead in 50 years cause imagine what people will give up to the government.  You won’t be able to take a piss outside! 

[Feathernfurr]

If guys from 150 years ago were still around we wouldn’t have any animals left to hunt 😂

[trophyhunt]

If guys from 150 years ago were still around we wouldn’t have any animals left to hunt 😂

lol, I should have said “time traveler” from 150 years ago.

[JJJ]

I suppose Washington should require you to have a Fishing or at least a clamming license to pick up any driftwood or seashells at the ocean if you are not a Washington resident. Just a $75 fine and of course an additional amount per shell and stick if caught…. Where does it stop?

I'm pretty sure there are already some kinda laws about removing driftwood and shells.

Apparently I am part of the uniformed old farts that just assumed simple privileges still existed....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!?  ... We took the grandkids to the Oregon coast in mid January to see the king tides for the first time... We went to Yaquina Bay lighthouse and had a great time.... While down on the beach, a guy in a road construction vest reminded us ( and others) that we could not  take anything from the beach... we all had a few keepsakes in our pockets....  ... later that day we had a great time on the beach in front of our hotel in Lincoln City with easily 100+ people collecting agates and shells that the king tides had brought in.... Some people were out there well into the night with headlamps on- everyone had a great time; brought back some great memories, and created new ones for the little ones... My grandkids made some outstanding presents and personal keepsakes from the shells and agates they found; things that will be cherished for a very long time.....so; my question is,.... WTF!!!? .. pretty fffffffffffffffff sad......

[bornhunter]

This country is doomed, the amount of people who think this is a good idea is baffling.  Imagine what the next couple generations will be willing to put up with?  If a guy from the past, say 150 years ago, could see what people are willing to put up with today, he’d think he was in a different country.  Glad I’ll be dead in 50 years cause imagine what people will give up to the government.  You won’t be able to take a piss outside!

Just so you know, you stop along the freeway because you cant hold it any longer its a thousand bucks! One more thing.

[JJJ]

This country is doomed, the amount of people who think this is a good idea is baffling.  Imagine what the next couple generations will be willing to put up with?  If a guy from the past, say 150 years ago, could see what people are willing to put up with today, he’d think he was in a different country.  Glad I’ll be dead in 50 years cause imagine what people will give up to the government.  You won’t be able to take a piss outside!

Just so you know, you stop along the freeway because you cant hold it any longer its a thousand bucks! One more thing.

My ticket will have a yellow hue to it, and then they'll have to write me another one for littering....

[trophyhunt]

I suppose Washington should require you to have a Fishing or at least a clamming license to pick up any driftwood or seashells at the ocean if you are not a Washington resident. Just a $75 fine and of course an additional amount per shell and stick if caught…. Where does it stop?

I'm pretty sure there are already some kinda laws about removing driftwood and shells.

Apparently I am part of the uniformed old farts that just assumed simple privileges still existed....ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!?  ... We took the grandkids to the Oregon coast in mid January to see the king tides for the first time... We went to Yaquina Bay lighthouse and had a great time.... While down on the beach, a guy in a road construction vest reminded us ( and others) that we could not  take anything from the beach... we all had a few keepsakes in our pockets....  ... later that day we had a great time on the beach in front of our hotel in Lincoln City with easily 100+ people collecting agates and shells that the king tides had brought in.... Some people were out there well into the night with headlamps on- everyone had a great time; brought back some great memories, and created new ones for the little ones... My grandkids made some outstanding presents and personal keepsakes from the shells and agates they found; things that will be cherished for a very long time.....so; my question is,.... WTF!!!? .. pretty fffffffffffffffff sad......

It is, maybe just us older guys get it?

[chukardogs]

Oh I get it and I never once said I thought it was a good idea. It's asinine!!! I only said, I can only be angry about so many things at once or I'd be pissed non-stop. Every time I see a "War is Terrorism" bumper sticker, I want to rip my scalp off. Every time I pack for a trip and my wife says, you have to leave your pocket knife at home, I break into hives. Our entire society has lost its mind. People can't be relied on to use basic common sense therefore our government thinks they have to do it for them. The problem with it all, there are enough idiots out there that it's hard to argue with the authorities when a lot of the evidence supports their position. Crying shame but it's not gonna get any better until it gets a lot worse. I hear it's called change. 

[EnglishSetter]

seems goofy to me.  Idaho (or any other state) benefit$ from people recreating in their state. 

For decades, SD didn't allow pheasant hunting until 10 a.m.  This wasn't to protect the birds, but to promote out-of-state hunter's eating, drinking, spending money well into the evening/night.  The couple months of bird season was the "time of wealth" for many rural communities.

But shed hunting has become quite commercial in recent years and Idaho deserves a piece of the action.  Perhaps an excise tax (based on weight?) on exit. Target those with commercial aspirations and not the guy who finds an antler or two in happenstance.

[TeacherMan]

As a shed hunter and Idaho resident, I definitely enjoy it, though I do think the license is pretty expensive. Every spring, before I can get my rig to the areas where most of our elk shed up the St. Joe, I’m usually beaten to the punch by out-of-state groups (mostly with Washington plates) and their tracked rigs, probably commercial guys. With the amount of antlers they pull, I’m sure I’ll still run into them. One decent elk shed likely pays for their entire license. I do have my shed dogs to help out, though, and they give me an edge in finding the sheds that others miss. Still, it always feels like a race to get there first.

[CarbonHunter]

I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.

If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.

I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you?  It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.

[trophyhunt]

I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.

If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.

I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you?  It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.

Now that’s an argument that starts to make sense, I can see what you are saying there.   But I don’t think requiring an expensive license (if the commercial guys don’t hunt in Idaho) will slow them down.  Better enforcement and stiffer fines for people going into closed areas would be a better change, in my opinion.

[CarbonHunter]

If you want to reduce the damage caused by the gatherers you need to reduce the demand for the antlers. Either ban the sell of antlers gathered from wild animals or apply an excise tax to the sell of the antlers including finished products. If you make it too expensive to sell the wild antlers the buyers will turn to the farmed deer and elk to avoid the tax. That would reduce the number of people chasing antlers in early spring as we all know a pile of antlers in the shed just gets in the way after a while.

[boneaddict]

Commercial is ruining everything from Morel mushrooms, Hucks, antlers to elk hunting (jerky).   That being said, I hope I have a years notice to sell off my antler pile. It’s almost like a 401k.

[hughjorgan]

I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.

If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.

I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you?  It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.

If this was the case wouldn’t they apply a license/permit to ALL rather than just to NON RESIDENTS. I think Idahoans are having a hard time reconciling that their population is continuing to increase and they continue to place blame on those that don’t even live in their state. Over crowding isn’t a non resident issue nor is pressuring animals on their winter range. It is a problem caused by the burgeoning increase of residents in Idaho and they seem to keep ignoring the elephant in the room.