Non-residents in Idaho Shed Hunting

[Feathernfurr]

I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.

If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.

I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you?  It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.

If this was the case wouldn’t they apply a license/permit to ALL rather than just to NON RESIDENTS. I think Idahoans are having a hard time reconciling that their population is continuing to increase and they continue to place blame on those that don’t even live in their state. Over crowding isn’t a non resident issue nor is pressuring animals on their winter range. It is a problem caused by the burgeoning increase of residents in Idaho and they seem to keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

Except the fact that 4/6 neighboring states to Idaho have shed closures and seasons that extend later in the year than many of idahos, and have stricter fines. There is absolutely a flood of non residents in Idaho during shed season. I’m not sure I understand how so many people make these claims that Idahoans don’t understand what’s going on and want to blame non residents, as if they aren’t at the trail head regularly seeing the out of state guys. Yes Idaho residents understand their population is growing. In the decade I lived in Idaho I saw 2-3x the amount of Wyoming, Utah, Washington, Oregon plates at trailheads and boat ramps as I did Idaho plates.

These new regulations are in response to neighboring states increasing their regulations and driving their die hard residents to Idaho until their seasons open. Just last year Wyoming made it a law that non residents can’t shed hunt in Wyoming until a week after residents get to start. Making things like the Jackson shed opener a resident only activity. Wyoming residents hammer the crap out of Idaho until May 1 when they get to play on their own turf. Washington residents are so disgruntled with the state of their own fish and wildlife and then act like Idaho owes them something. I understand the frustration, but don’t sit here and act like Washingtonian are experts on Idahoans problems as if they aren’t seeing them every single day.

[CarbonHunter]

I agree that I don’t think it’s right that the states are charging these fees but at the end of the day these are limited resources and it is because of the commercial collectors that it is now ruined for everyone.

If you operate a business you are required to obtain a permit before you remove timber, gravel, gold or any other resource from public land. It wasn’t the guy that cut firewood or the gold miner with a pan and small sluice that led to permits being required but once the commercial operations showed up with yarders taking logs and gold dredges destroying the river that rules were put in place.

I don’t think anyone on here has problems with permits for logging and mining on public land do you?  It is just unfortunate that there is no designation between the recreational gathering and the commercial gathering of many resources. But just like the bison in the 1800’s if the government doesn’t get involved a small group of individuals will ruin it for everyone.

If this was the case wouldn’t they apply a license/permit to ALL rather than just to NON RESIDENTS. I think Idahoans are having a hard time reconciling that their population is continuing to increase and they continue to place blame on those that don’t even live in their state. Over crowding isn’t a non resident issue nor is pressuring animals on their winter range. It is a problem caused by the burgeoning increase of residents in Idaho and they seem to keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

All of the states are getting it wrong. Idaho is listening to their residents who keep saying the non residents are the issue. They do not want to argue with their residents and let them know what the real issues are. Instead they can simply give the residents what they are asking for and they get no backlash.

[CarbonHunter]

Another example of Idaho getting it wrong but appeasing their citizens is the deer allocation of tags by unit. They actually allow more non residents to hunt the most popular units for residents. Instead of allocating more tags to units with lots of public land and few resident hunters.

Is this a case of incompetence by the department or the case that they just want to get the complainers to shut up?

[hughjorgan]

IDFG isn’t much different in that they and neighboring states populations are growing exponentially. IDFG have finally figured out that they are going to have to regulate human behavior like Washington has been doing for decades. Habitat and game are a finite resource. Non Residents are low hanging fruit. It won’t fix the problem but it is a step closer to addressing their issue of population growth.

[TeacherMan]

Commercial is ruining everything from Morel mushrooms, Hucks, antlers to elk hunting (jerky).   That being said, I hope I have a years notice to sell off my antler pile. It’s almost like a 401k.

Think of the value it could bring to your pile if they said no more collecting of antlers, but antlers that have been collected prior are grandfathered in 

[goldenhtr]

seems goofy to me.  Idaho (or any other state) benefit$ from people recreating in their state. 

For decades, SD didn't allow pheasant hunting until 10 a.m.  This wasn't to protect the birds, but to promote out-of-state hunter's eating, drinking, spending money well into the evening/night.  The couple months of bird season was the "time of wealth" for many rural communities.

But shed hunting has become quite commercial in recent years and Idaho deserves a piece of the action.  Perhaps an excise tax (based on weight?) on exit. Target those with commercial aspirations and not the guy who finds an antler or two in happenstance.

Still opens at 10am:)

[CarbonHunter]

Next year (if they go to a draw) you will need to buy the same non refundable license just to apply for a deer or elk tag. Seems to be a small fee to pay if you are driving to Idaho to collect antlers when it’s the same license to apply for a tag that has no guarantee of even being able to go to the state and hunt for deer or elk.