Public comment periods open for Washington hunting season, wildlife feeding prop

[Karl Blanchard]

[HntnFsh]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

[WoolyRunner]

What a joke. I better see WDFW officers writing tickets to little old ladies who feed their neighborhood deer.

[WoolyRunner]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

[baldopepper]

Washington is one of the states that has rejected what is called the open fields doctrine.  In some states this doctrine allows wildlife agents to enter and search private properties without a warrant
In Washington you must show probable cause and get a warrant

[hunter399]

Licence sales are gonna sky rocket now...lol.
I got mixed feelings about it that for sure.
Killed my fair share before trail cams and bait.
All my setups will be pulled from public as soon as snow is gone .
Or sooner.

[kodiak06]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

[baldopepper]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Surprisingly Washington is only one of a very few states that have rejected the open fields doctrine.  Basically it exempts  searchs on "open fields" from 4th amendment protections.  LEOs can search bsically any open area (including foested areas) without a search warrant. Not in Washington. Suspect they would only go thru the hassle here if they were made aware of a fairly large operation or if someone complained often enough about one. Have to admit I'm not a fan of baiting so new rules don't bother me except wife is gonna have to quit feeding the yard deer.

[hunter399]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Very true
But .....
If a private land owner has any livestock.
Chicken
Pig
Horse
Cow
Goat
Whatever livestock animals.
Your ability to throw feed anywhere is pretty much legal.
Hard to prosecute someone for feeding livestock.
If the deer eat some feed that has been placed for livestock, nothing they can really do I would think.

I guess if we want to hunt over a salt block ,just look for cattle range on NF. That's a tip for you all.
I'm not the type to break laws,I'm just smart enough to play the cards in my hand. I know spots that salt is placed for cattle on NF.

[TimberMuleys]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Very true
But .....
If a private land owner has any livestock.
Chicken
Pig
Horse
Cow
Goat
Whatever livestock animals.
Your ability to throw feed anywhere is pretty much legal.
Hard to prosecute someone for feeding livestock.
If the deer eat some feed that has been placed for livestock, nothing they can really do I would think.

I guess if we want to hunt over a salt block ,just look for cattle range on NF. That's a tip for you all.
I'm not the type to break laws,I'm just smart enough to play the cards in my hand. I know spots that salt is placed for cattle on NF.

I dropped over 200lbs of salt last year in one spot. Cattle and deer used it all summer. I just don’t understand how this gets enforced. If someone turns the salt in to the game dept, I don’t know what they do. Somehow find me through the camera, then somehow try to price salt was laid there after their ban? I know of salts that have been there for years that deer still go to. I just don’t understand how any of this gets enforced without catching someone in the act.


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[hunter399]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Very true
But .....
If a private land owner has any livestock.
Chicken
Pig
Horse
Cow
Goat
Whatever livestock animals.
Your ability to throw feed anywhere is pretty much legal.
Hard to prosecute someone for feeding livestock.
If the deer eat some feed that has been placed for livestock, nothing they can really do I would think.

I guess if we want to hunt over a salt block ,just look for cattle range on NF. That's a tip for you all.
I'm not the type to break laws,I'm just smart enough to play the cards in my hand. I know spots that salt is placed for cattle on NF.

I dropped over 200lbs of salt last year in one spot. Cattle and deer used it all summer. I just don’t understand how this gets enforced. If someone turns the salt in to the game dept, I don’t know what they do. Somehow find me through the camera, then somehow try to price salt was laid there after their ban? I know of salts that have been there for years that deer still go to. I just don’t understand how any of this gets enforced without catching someone in the act.


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I suspect any known bait sites,they would set camera traps.
To catch you in the act I would think.
Ya ,I'll definitely be saving money on my salt bill,so I can't complain.
I've always took a little bit of pride in supplying minerals and feed.
You know help the herds where you hunt,wdfw doesn't see it that way.

[TimberMuleys]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Very true
But .....
If a private land owner has any livestock.
Chicken
Pig
Horse
Cow
Goat
Whatever livestock animals.
Your ability to throw feed anywhere is pretty much legal.
Hard to prosecute someone for feeding livestock.
If the deer eat some feed that has been placed for livestock, nothing they can really do I would think.

I guess if we want to hunt over a salt block ,just look for cattle range on NF. That's a tip for you all.
I'm not the type to break laws,I'm just smart enough to play the cards in my hand. I know spots that salt is placed for cattle on NF.

I dropped over 200lbs of salt last year in one spot. Cattle and deer used it all summer. I just don’t understand how this gets enforced. If someone turns the salt in to the game dept, I don’t know what they do. Somehow find me through the camera, then somehow try to price salt was laid there after their ban? I know of salts that have been there for years that deer still go to. I just don’t understand how any of this gets enforced without catching someone in the act.


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I suspect any known bait sites,they would set camera traps.
To catch you in the act I would think.
Ya ,I'll definitely be saving money on my salt bill,so I can't complain.
I've always took a little bit of pride in supplying minerals and feed.
You know help the herds where you hunt,wdfw doesn't see it that way.

But if you’re not adding any salt to it, it’s fine right? I would think 200lbs is going to last a while.


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[hunter399]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Very true
But .....
If a private land owner has any livestock.
Chicken
Pig
Horse
Cow
Goat
Whatever livestock animals.
Your ability to throw feed anywhere is pretty much legal.
Hard to prosecute someone for feeding livestock.
If the deer eat some feed that has been placed for livestock, nothing they can really do I would think.

I guess if we want to hunt over a salt block ,just look for cattle range on NF. That's a tip for you all.
I'm not the type to break laws,I'm just smart enough to play the cards in my hand. I know spots that salt is placed for cattle on NF.

I dropped over 200lbs of salt last year in one spot. Cattle and deer used it all summer. I just don’t understand how this gets enforced. If someone turns the salt in to the game dept, I don’t know what they do. Somehow find me through the camera, then somehow try to price salt was laid there after their ban? I know of salts that have been there for years that deer still go to. I just don’t understand how any of this gets enforced without catching someone in the act.


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I suspect any known bait sites,they would set camera traps.
To catch you in the act I would think.
Ya ,I'll definitely be saving money on my salt bill,so I can't complain.
I've always took a little bit of pride in supplying minerals and feed.
You know help the herds where you hunt,wdfw doesn't see it that way.

But if you’re not adding any salt to it, it’s fine right? I would think 200lbs is going to last a while.


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200lb is four salt blocks ,under the old bait laws,that would of put you at the ten gallon limit.
Not sure if these laws are effective immediately,if you have camera pics on the date you dropped it. Maybe 🤔 be ok ,but I don't really know.

[TimberMuleys]

Are they’re going to close winter feeding at Oak Creek and other stations? I’m going to hold my breath… Ready?……….GO!!!!

Beleive it says that's not determined yet. Going to be hard to enforce the bait ban on private property where a good deal of it happens.  They can't go wandering around private property looking.

Pretty sure game wardens can

I don’t think so. 4th amendment rights against illegal search and seizure.

The 4th amendment doesn't apply if someone turns them in or there's suspension. They can easily get a warrant if required.  Fish and wildlife officers enforce STATE laws not simply laws on public land.

Very true
But .....
If a private land owner has any livestock.
Chicken
Pig
Horse
Cow
Goat
Whatever livestock animals.
Your ability to throw feed anywhere is pretty much legal.
Hard to prosecute someone for feeding livestock.
If the deer eat some feed that has been placed for livestock, nothing they can really do I would think.

I guess if we want to hunt over a salt block ,just look for cattle range on NF. That's a tip for you all.
I'm not the type to break laws,I'm just smart enough to play the cards in my hand. I know spots that salt is placed for cattle on NF.

I dropped over 200lbs of salt last year in one spot. Cattle and deer used it all summer. I just don’t understand how this gets enforced. If someone turns the salt in to the game dept, I don’t know what they do. Somehow find me through the camera, then somehow try to price salt was laid there after their ban? I know of salts that have been there for years that deer still go to. I just don’t understand how any of this gets enforced without catching someone in the act.


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I suspect any known bait sites,they would set camera traps.
To catch you in the act I would think.
Ya ,I'll definitely be saving money on my salt bill,so I can't complain.
I've always took a little bit of pride in supplying minerals and feed.
You know help the herds where you hunt,wdfw doesn't see it that way.

But if you’re not adding any salt to it, it’s fine right? I would think 200lbs is going to last a while.


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200lb is four salt blocks ,under the old bait laws,that would of put you at the ten gallon limit.
Not sure if these laws are effective immediately,if you have camera pics on the date you dropped it. Maybe be ok ,but I don't really know.

There was restrictions on how much salt you could put out for cattle? The salt was in NF range and wasn’t meant for deer but I threw a cam just to see what was in the area.


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[idaho guy]

Mountain goat permits down to 8 for a supposed population of 2800.  that is only .3% of the population, not 4% under guideline.  It's a really good thing that permit numbers continue to get decimated while the poorly surveyed population continues to apparently decline.  Can we rule out that recreational harvest is not the leading factor of smaller numbers of mountain goats?  Can the WDFW get serious about Mt Goat management in this state?  Idaho allows 41 goat permits on possibly a herd of 2000.  Oregon allows 25 permits on a population of 800.   

Wa wildlife first is targeting the mountain goats and blaming hunters for over harvesting. They also are the ones that got us our current commission.

   



I wonder how much impact on the population the annialation of goats in the olympic park had? I wouldnt fault " hunting" for that since it was mostly goverment paid sharp shooters. I know hunters were used but seemed to mostly consist of goverment removal. I am not super familiar with it just remember it seemed like a total waste to completely remove all mountain goats that way. I am sure this same group was all for that decrease in the goat numbers