Mexico's case against the gun industry

[bearpaw]

Something to keep an eye on:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/03/02/supreme-court-mexico-gun-makers-cartels-liable/80866397007/

[greenhead_killer]

Ah yes, back to the spoon made me fat mindset.

[pianoman9701]

I wonder if they'll be including the Obama administration in the suit for Operation Fast and Furious.

[The scout]

Ah yes, back to the spoon made me fat mindset.

  Go after car makers because some idiots drive drunk and kill somebody behind the wheel.

[HntnFsh]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

[Fidelk]

There's a DEAL waiting to be made. The US Govt. should do what it can to stop American made guns ending up in the hands of Mexican criminals that are then used to kill their fellow citizens. And the Mexican Govt. should do what it can to stop drugs flowing from Mexico into the US and degrading American society, including drug related deaths.

Sounds like yet another task for Musk to mastermind.

[Platensek-po]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

[bearpaw]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

apples and oranges

That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!

Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!

[Platensek-po]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

apples and oranges

That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!

Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!

So it’s illegal. Does that stop Americans from funding cartels by purchasing drugs from them? Are cartels forcing people to buy illegal drugs? Why does the US have such a large market for illegal drugs in the first place? Is it a cartels fault if a tweeker gets high and steals a generator to buy more drugs from a cartel? You can’t have supply without the demand.

[bearpaw]

They have a problem with the cartels using USA made arms. But can't or won't put a stop to the cartels killing thousands of Americans with the drugs they ship north!

Why don’t Americans just stip buying and using drugs? Why is it the cartels fault that people overdose on drugs but it’s not gun manufacturers fault people use guns to kill each other? Too much money involved in both the drug and weapons industries for anyone to actually do anything about either

apples and oranges

That would be like saying automakers are responsible for high speed accidents or bank robberies. When in fact autos are made and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use autos illegally!

Guns are manufactured and sold legally, a crime is only committed when you use guns illegally!
Most drugs are illegal to manufacture or to use, it's an entirely different scenario!

So it’s illegal. Does that stop Americans from funding cartels by purchasing drugs from them? Are cartels forcing people to buy illegal drugs? Why does the US have such a large market for illegal drugs in the first place? Is it a cartels fault if a tweeker gets high and steals a generator to buy more drugs from a cartel? You can’t have supply without the demand.

Absolutely, if we didn't have addicts in the US there wouldn't be much market for drugs. However, there wouldn't be as many addicts if illegal drugs weren't pouring into our country.

That doesn't change the comparison that guns are manufactured legally, with government oversight, and sold legally for legal use, and are only a tool that criminals sometimes choose to use illegally. Whereas drugs are manufactured illegally, without government oversight, sold illegally, and always used illegally.

Apples and oranges, the scenario is much different!

[Fidelk]

American drug addicts create a demand here in the US.......some of the drugs they use are legally manufactured (and diverted to illegal use) and some are illegal. The crime occurs when they are smuggled into the US and marketed to addicts.

Mexican drug cartels create a demand for guns in Mexico that are illegal in Mexico.......guns made in the US get diverted illegally to Mexico. The crime occurs when guns are made in the US and illegally diverted to an illegal market in Mexico. A manufacturer may or may not be complicit in this crime.

Similar supply-demand process. But I think the main problem is the demand for drugs fueled by American addicts. If that demand went away, so would most of these problems.

[EnglishSetter]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs. 

[zwickeyman]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.

 :yeah:BINGO!!

[pianoman9701]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.

 :yeah:BINGO!!

You'd need to handcuff half of the Mexican government first.

[Fidelk]

The "common theme" here is the cartels.  Handcuff the cartels and both problems diminish. 

Mehico seems unable or unwilling or both to accomplish this.  The new terrorist designation may facilitate some handcuffs.

I don't think so. With an eternal pool of willing addicts here in the US which creates demand........even if you remove the cartels, another source will appear to supply the drugs and profit from this addiction.