My Baker Goat Units

[Ridgerunner]

Lots of factors going on here but one thing that is worth mentioning that has not been mentioned is that WA is the MOST conservative state in the West when it comes to mountain goat seasons and quotas.  I'm not saying that the population is in decline but with the very conservative guidelines(and getting more conservative) and the lack of data the state is very quick to reduce tags.  I'm not sure how other states are able to offer more tags with smaller populations of goats and not have the same issues that we have here. 

[Keith494]

Lots of factors going on here but one thing that is worth mentioning that has not been mentioned is that WA is the MOST conservative state in the West when it comes to mountain goat seasons and quotas.  I'm not saying that the population is in decline but with the very conservative guidelines(and getting more conservative) and the lack of data the state is very quick to reduce tags.  I'm not sure how other states are able to offer more tags with smaller populations of goats and not have the same issues that we have here.

Sounds like what Washington does best

[bear]

A couple Nannie’s shot isn’t gonna cause this much of an issue.  Hasn’t been any hunting in the area just north of there that shut down in the late 90’s I believe.  It had 10 tags in there in 1994.  More going on here then what wdfw knows or is telling

[Meathunter06]

A couple Nannie’s shot isn’t gonna cause this much of an issue.  Hasn’t been any hunting in the area just north of there that shut down in the late 90’s I believe.  It had 10 tags in there in 1994.  More going on here then what wdfw knows or is telling

They know who's been hunting in there but their liberal agenda won't allow them to do anything about it.

[tracksoup]

A couple Nannie’s shot isn’t gonna cause this much of an issue.  Hasn’t been any hunting in the area just north of there that shut down in the late 90’s I believe.  It had 10 tags in there in 1994.  More going on here then what wdfw knows or is telling

They know who's been hunting in there but their liberal agenda won't allow them to do anything about it.

 

[3nails]

 Coincidentally the deer population in the high country has taken a massive hit due to the burgeoning lion population. I believe that they have begun targeting goats as the deer population shrinks. 

[Tbar]

A couple Nannie’s shot isn’t gonna cause this much of an issue.  Hasn’t been any hunting in the area just north of there that shut down in the late 90’s I believe.  It had 10 tags in there in 1994.  More going on here then what wdfw knows or is telling

They know who's been hunting in there but their liberal agenda won't allow them to do anything about it.

Please do tell.

[Tbar]

Coincidentally the deer population in the high country has taken a massive hit due to the burgeoning lion population. I believe that they have begun targeting goats as the deer population shrinks. 

Places are nearly void of deer,  and unfortunately goats now as well,  that once always held decent numbers.  The rec pressure likely pushes goats into less desirable habitat where they could be getting hit harder by cats.  That's purely speculation at this point but has been in discussions throughout.

[CarbonHunter]

The state issued tags is not what caused the drop in population. Both the tribes and state were trying to figure out how all the transplanted goats died as well.

I’m sure they know but their findings conflict with their agendas or they would have published the results.

[Tbar]

The state issued tags is not what caused the drop in population. Both the tribes and state were trying to figure out how all the transplanted goats died as well.

I’m sure they know but their findings conflict with their agendas or they would have published the results.

Not true but speak as if you know.  The criticism lies in the fact that there was zero funding to do investigations. Actually very little funding to collar.  The ones that were investigated were a mix of cougar kills and several undetermined but were in avalanche chutes.

[CarbonHunter]

The state issued tags is not what caused the drop in population. Both the tribes and state were trying to figure out how all the transplanted goats died as well.

I’m sure they know but their findings conflict with their agendas or they would have published the results.

Not true but speak as if you know.  The criticism lies in the fact that there was zero funding to do investigations. Actually very little funding to collar.  The ones that were investigated were a mix of cougar kills and several undetermined but were in avalanche chutes.

What’s not true?

The tribes have plenty of money for this research and they are looking into lots of issues around our state. We are just not getting any definitive data from the tribes, feds or the state.

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/almost-all-mountain-goats-died-after-airlift-from-olympics-to-cascades/

[Practical Approach]

Biologists knew going into the translocation that survival for mountain goat translocations is fairly low.  They just don't relocate to new surroundings very well for many reasons.  The general public emphasized relocating the goats rather than euthanizing them on site in the ONP.  Yes, TBAR is spot on with there not being any allocated funds for WDFW to follow up and investigate mortalities.  The tribes conducted what investigations did occur.  Other issues are the weather and terrain.  Goats that die in the winter time are often not accessible or it is to dangerous.