west side drop camps

[littlebuf]

there's been a lot of talk on here about drop camps lately, and so it got me wondering is there outfits that offer west side drop camps? it may sound kinda silly  but ive never heard of one so i thought id at least ask the question

[Houndhunter]

dont support them! i hate those guys, they ruin areas i hunt. they should not be allowed to put in drop camps in wilderness areas

[jackelope]

hmm interesting. some of those guys support this site.
who do you mean?

[jackelope]

i would also love to hear how they ruin your areas.

[Houndhunter]

since you'd love to hear i'll explain

they put there damn drop camps right in the middle of prime hunting areas, than decide to put them in every basin they can. if some guy brings in his own horses thats fine, he did the work. but this brings in crowds of guys who have the money to spend, and (atleast here in western wa) we dont have these huge wilderness areas. ran into a hiker last year and he said the military most be doing somethin up here cause i've past by tons of these army tents on my trip. im not the best at writing what im trying to say, but i think you can get my point. a wilderness area is a place that you go to to get away from people and things like this. when you make it easy guys who have money will pay for it, and i know hunting in the wilderness i go to has change alot because of them . dont commercialize a wilderness area

[Ray]

RE: dont commercialize a wilderness area

Ever heard of a national park?  Completely commercialized.

[Houndhunter]

can you hunt national parks

[Ray]

No.

[WDFW-SUX]

can you hunt national parks

Depends

[littlebuf]

well i don't see the problem with them, its public land the public should be able to use it as they see fit. including guides  if any of you guys that guide offer drop camps on the west side drop me a pm ,im elk hunting solo this year and am entertaining this idea

[jackelope]

littlebuf...pm sent.

[bearpaw]

I don't operate on the west side but i would like to add a few comments on this subject. Sometimes it is real easy to only see issues from your side of the table. A person really needs to look at all angles of an issue.

One huge misconception that a lot of people have is that guides serve nothing but a lot of rich guys. Quite honestly I wished I had a whole database file of rich guys. My wife and I are operating at about 30% of normal business this year because 70% of our hunters can't afford to come hunting with us this year.

The majority of our hunters are ordinary working folks who work their butts off most of the year and don't have the time to go scouting before season. We get a cross section of hunters that are small business owners, police officers, factory workers, farmers, boeing employees, plumbers, loggers, other hunting and fishing guides, government employees, taxidermists, lawyers, doctors, mechanics, construction workers, steel workers, electricians, grandpa's, grandkids, wives, husbands, etc., etc.

Everything I do on Government Lands is strictly controlled and over-use is not an option. Operating plans are required and every camp site must be approved by the agency involved. The agencies request that my campsites are off the beaten path, out of site as much as possible, and cause the least impact to the public.

If you are seeing a lot of army surplus tents and people camped all over the place, those are do-it-yourself hunters. No outfitter that I know would pack a heavy army tent into the mountains, we use the lightweight outfitter wall tents. However, more and more regular hunters are using wall tents too, so please don't think that every wall tent is an outfitter too.

The other thing to remember is that the other hunters you see may be thinking the exact same thing about you. They may think you should not be allowed in the wilderness because you are ruining their experience.

I think we should all be glad that we are allowed to use the land and that we should support each other so we can all continue using the land. I respect everyone's opinion and only hope that everyone will find a way to get along so we all get to continue recreating in the outdoors.

[Houndhunter]

well for one thing the guy was a hiker, they were not military tents thats how he described them. tell me why they put the drop camps in the middel of of hunting areas? they do that to claim the while basin. and i never said rich guys, i said guys who have the money to spend. hell i make 1300 a month now, so i could get a drop camp if i wanted to. and about the gov stricly contolling the area, im sorry but that aint how it is. sure they may only allow so many but there allowing to much.

every one should and has the right to go in there, im not talking bout that. im saying having someone do it for you shouldnt be going on in wilderness areas. if something is easy everyone will do it, its when you have to work that makes a great hunting. with these drop camps it commercializes the area. i would love to bring in horses but i dont have them, tough for me as it should be for the other guys.

i think a similar situation would be this, i have hounds and get to apply for a lion tag with the use of hounds. now if every guy would be allowed to put in for those tags it'd screw me over completly in a already screwed up system. i guess a better thing to compare it to would be this: an area you hunted that is completly closed off to motorized vechles now is open to everyone to drive in. well what happens? its now an easy area to hunt which brings in people, and hunting goes down the drain along with the wildlife. i know its not the same so plz dont tell me that, but the concept is

i hate to see this continue as it is ruining the wilderness i hunt, im not sure how the whole system works but there area definetly to many drop camps. im glad they close off some areas to live stock, and i wish they'd do more to keep the drop camps away. if you wanna bring in your own live stock wether it be goats, lamas, horses, mules, whatever more power to ya. but when you can pay some one to do it for you and they make a profit out of it along with the state, so long hunting.

and im not saying all areas should be closed, i say this cause someone will interpet thats what im saying, i just beleive that some lands should be off limits

[coldsteel3d]

What difference does it make if a guy doesn't have the time, money, or space for his own horses, believe me they are not cheap. I have no problem with guys doing a drop camp. 

[zackmioli]

different strokes for different folks. if people want to utilize a drop camp or horses or mules they should be allowed to. people will always find something to complain about and it seems like you are just nit picking. no offense intended just my