Idaho on the verge of outlawing

[NOCK NOCK]

Curious Nock Nock, as tech continues to advance and inevitably 5-10 years from now things will exist that we can't even fathom today, where do you see it acceptable to draw the line? Are you of the opinion that whatever comes along we just embrace it because anything less is an attack on hunting? This provision also addresses the use of thermal and night vision which is spreading like wildfire right now, especially in Idaho. Do you disagree with regulating that also?

Without knowing the extent of the future "advances", it is impossible to say where a line should/could be drawn.

Maybe I am wrong, but thermal/night vision techs are both for night time use. Pretty sure that is already illegal........which points right to what I'm saying ...... Bad folks do bad things.

Banning cell cams only affects the guy that uses them ethically (the bad apples will still do what they do with them) and just puts hunters one step closer to going the way of the dinosaurs.  Regular T cams next, then long range, then laser range finders, etc. etc. etc.

[Born2late]

First good use that comes to mind for using cell cameras is for trappers to be able to see if they have had a animal caught.saves on time , gas and you can get to fur that is trapped quickly so another animal doesn’t chew on it.
Does that qualify as a good reason?

[EnglishSetter]

That's bs.
I know guys who literally sit on the couch and wait until the big bear hits their bait and then go in to kill it.
It's straight up lazy, cheating, and not hunting in their case.

Sounds like they should just regulate transmission time then.

A law needs to be enforceable.  How would you enforce transmission time?

Just my observation, but cell cams effectively made the number of cams infinite.  I've read of outfitters who have hundreds of cams.

[CarbonHunter]

First good use that comes to mind for using cell cameras is for trappers to be able to see if they have had a animal caught.saves on time , gas and you can get to fur that is trapped quickly so another animal doesn’t chew on it.
Does that qualify as a good reason?

I would say this is a reason to have them. But under this example they could be limited to trapping only. Currently you still need to check your traps daily so they would have to modify that rule to allow the use of cell cameras to monitor traps.

[71Shovelhead]

This sounds like the discussions about Bear baiting, hunting bear with dogs, hunting cats with dogs. We divided and conquered ourselves. Oh, let's not forget leg hold traps. Or how about the "only wild fish group" that want hatcheries closed and have natural genic bank designation on all our tributaries.   

Just because you don't like it then don't do it but don't stop others from it.

Listen to @NOCK NOCK and other moderates.

Terry

[Naches Sportsman]

They need to be banned for the exception of lawful licensed trappers using them on their trap lines.

I texted my area game warden today about a guy who put 2 salt blocks out this last weekend and had a cell camera over it. He was sitting right over the salt this afternoon because he got a text that a bull was there. Don’t know this guy and his camera was put out last weekend along with the salt. Salt wasn’t there end of last week when the unit was being set up for planting and low and behold last Monday there it was set up.

[pickardjw]

That's bs.
I know guys who literally sit on the couch and wait until the big bear hits their bait and then go in to kill it.
It's straight up lazy, cheating, and not hunting in their case.

Sounds like they should just regulate transmission time then.

A law needs to be enforceable.  How would you enforce transmission time?

Just my observation, but cell cams effectively made the number of cams infinite.  I've read of outfitters who have hundreds of cams.

They found a way to require ID for “certain websites” in the state. Are you saying there is no way to enforce transmission times?

[NOCK NOCK]

They need to be banned for the exception of lawful licensed trappers using them on their trap lines.

I texted my area game warden today about a guy who put 2 salt blocks out this last weekend and had a cell camera over it. He was sitting right over the salt this afternoon because he got a text that a bull was there. Don’t know this guy and his camera was put out last weekend along with the salt. Salt wasn’t there end of last week when the unit was being set up for planting and low and behold last Monday there it was set up.

My hunch is most all who want them banned just dont like cameras being in the woods, period, cell or not. 

Ask anyone with experience about the above. (not saying it didnt happen, just how Naches processed it to fit his narrative)

Salt/Minerals is not some kind of "magic" that keeps critters locked to it for extended periods of time, especially this time of year. It takes time for them to find it, and seldom do they hit it on a regular basis. It is utilized by the ungulates early in the year while antler/body growth is going strong. Usually coinciding with mature antler formation (mid-late August) they stop hitting the salt/minerals altogether. They may pass by it but seldom stop for more than a minute or 2........Unless a "hunter" is sitting within a couple hundred yards of his cell cam the critter will be long gone before he could sneak in to kill it.....thats saying you ACTUALLY could sneak in.


Here is a point not mentioned yet...

Seeing as how salt/bait have been made illegal........I just want to know how/where a guy can put up a cell cam........with no attractant......and expect the scenario you all are referring to (hunter gets notification/shows up at cam/shoots animal).......


Again if this scenario is happening, its bad people doing bad things, no law is gonna change that......just another takeaway from the good hunters we'll never get back, and another step towards the END of hunting.

[Crunchy]

Heck I have 8 or so cell cameras and not one of them have help me kill a critter.  You guys need to point me in the right direction of where a cell camera and a cell phone work and there are deer and elk around   

[Feathernfurr]

I’m going to hurt some feelings. If you don’t think cell cameras impact a persons odds of killing game, you’re a bad hunter. Cell cameras impact hunters decision making in real time. Guy wakes up to hunt, plans to head to property A, has photos at property B of animals moving in to bedding. He changes plans and heads to B and hunts a travel corridor between bedding and feed, kills target animal. 99% of people are running their cell cams with 1 check in a day. Minus update immediately and will last 6 months with lithium batteries.

This whole “another thing we lose” argument is an excuse. We didn’t have cellular cameras just over a decade ago. This is a case of a new tech item, a privilege, we aren’t using them responsibly and therefore a course correction should be made. Want to run cell cameras in the off season, 100% support, want to run regular cameras during season, absolutely. But we shouldn’t have access to real time data in the woods, from our couch.

[fishngamereaper]

If a guy rolls into elk camp ...sets up a perimeter of let's say a dozen cell cams within a quarter mile.
Then sits at camp and waits for notifications...
Is that reasonable. Fair chase?

Opinions on the scenario will differ...does it mean those of us that find it not representative of fair chase are falling into the divide and concur anti trap...or do we just view the ever advancing technology as just as much a threat to the thing we love to do.
There's hundreds of rules and regulations regarding hunting, fair chase and weapon systems.
Should those be removed...
And if your pro cell cam during hunting season then you wouldn't have a problem with drone use I assume.

And yes...I used to run cams...(not cell cams)..and yes I no longer do on public grounds.. personally...I'm getting tired of seeing them around every corner in some areas.
Falls into that self moderation or a law will make you category.

[fowl smacker]

I’m going to hurt some feelings. If you don’t think cell cameras impact a persons odds of killing game, you’re a bad hunter. Cell cameras impact hunters decision making in real time. Guy wakes up to hunt, plans to head to property A, has photos at property B of animals moving in to bedding. He changes plans and heads to B and hunts a travel corridor between bedding and feed, kills target animal. 99% of people are running their cell cams with 1 check in a day. Minus update immediately and will last 6 months with lithium batteries.

This whole “another thing we lose” argument is an excuse. We didn’t have cellular cameras just over a decade ago. This is a case of a new tech item, a privilege, we aren’t using them responsibly and therefore a course correction should be made. Want to run cell cameras in the off season, 100% support, want to run regular cameras during season, absolutely. But we shouldn’t have access to real time data in the woods, from our couch.

[Seabass]

I’m going to hurt some feelings. If you don’t think cell cameras impact a persons odds of killing game, you’re a bad hunter. Cell cameras impact hunters decision making in real time. Guy wakes up to hunt, plans to head to property A, has photos at property B of animals moving in to bedding. He changes plans and heads to B and hunts a travel corridor between bedding and feed, kills target animal. 99% of people are running their cell cams with 1 check in a day. Minus update immediately and will last 6 months with lithium batteries.

This whole “another thing we lose” argument is an excuse. We didn’t have cellular cameras just over a decade ago. This is a case of a new tech item, a privilege, we aren’t using them responsibly and therefore a course correction should be made. Want to run cell cameras in the off season, 100% support, want to run regular cameras during season, absolutely. But we shouldn’t have access to real time data in the woods, from our couch.

Exactly!

[Seabass]

If a guy rolls into elk camp ...sets up a perimeter of let's say a dozen cell cams within a quarter mile.
Then sits at camp and waits for notifications...
Is that reasonable. Fair chase?

Opinions on the scenario will differ...does it mean those of us that find it not representative of fair chase are falling into the divide and concur anti trap...or do we just view the ever advancing technology as just as much a threat to the thing we love to do.
There's hundreds of rules and regulations regarding hunting, fair chase and weapon systems.
Should those be removed...
And if your pro cell cam during hunting season then you wouldn't have a problem with drone use I assume.

And yes...I used to run cams...(not cell cams)..and yes I no longer do on public grounds.. personally...I'm getting tired of seeing them around every corner in some areas.
Falls into that self moderation or a law will make you category.

Good points!

[hughjorgan]

So progressive of Idaho.